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Post by jello on Dec 19, 2016 13:23:40 GMT
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 19, 2016 18:33:46 GMT
I was just about to write to you Mark. Yes, I got the tradeupprogram offer. Looks like a good offer to me as well.
Thing is, they won't be collecting all the old iems as I thought they might be doing. That might have been a nightmare for them to sort out, so I wondered what they were going to do.
I'm taking up the offer since the Sabre is so damned good. TBH, I do trust them and I reckon the new one will be pretty spectacular. It has a different cable connection system as well thank goodness.
Look forward to it.
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Post by jello on Dec 20, 2016 10:29:44 GMT
I'm also taking up the offer. Bob knows how to make good sounding IEMs so have no doubt it'll be good. And in some ways this feels a bit like make or break time so think a lot of attention will go into how it sounds and the QC side of things.
Only concern is with the new cable system and how robust it'll be. Just hope the new connector is robust and that the wires have good strain relief where they enter the earpieces.
The Sabre is fantastic and is the only IEM I now use. Coming from the Vyrus it is a case of more of the same really only bigger (physically & in the sound it produces) and better. I'm amazed at how small the Vyrus sounds by comparison and that isn't exactly a shy sounding IEM. For the money the Vyrus is still an excellent IEM though but I do think the Sabre is well worth paying the extra for.
I suspect the Master will have a hard job besting the Sabre but for £60 is feels like a risk free purchase. If it doesn't work out it'll be easy enough to sell on at cost and if it does I'll likely donate the Vyrus to someone else to enjoy.
I like the fact we get to keep our old IEMs because I'd have otherwise probably not taken the offer. Not only because I wouldn't want to give up the Sabre but it'd also feel incredibly wasteful 'scrapping' two perfectly good IEMs (albeit with some niggles) and that just wouldn't sit well with me.
Trinity do say that 'shipping starts March 2017 guaranteed' but if demand is as high as I think it'll be (who wouldn't?) then I think they'll get some units get out the door in March, but think it'll be a tall order to ship the whole lot by then! With some folk I get the impression that this is Trinity's last chance to get things 'right' and I'd personally prefer them to take the time to perfect the design, make them properly and ensure the QC is up to scratch. If that means getting them in April or May so be it.
Looking forward to them too!
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 20, 2016 10:37:10 GMT
Well, by February, Mark, they'll know exactly how many they need to make as a minimum requirement. With pre sales money, they can invest immediately and roll them out which was a good strategy tbh. It's a good deal in that they are virtually the cost of the Vyrus for us and equally, the others could be sold off. They're perfectly good iems so really, we've been able to upgrade at not much of a cost.
It would be nice if other companies did this. For instance, what if I could trade an hd650 in in order to upgrade to an hd800? I might well go for it then. Same for my th900 if I could get the newer one so that cables can be disconnected.
It's a nice touch and makes you feel a little more loyal to the company imo.
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Post by jello on Dec 20, 2016 10:54:32 GMT
It's a fantastic gesture Ian. Not sure if they're taking a hit financially or just covering costs but either way it's quite some offer.
I feel a degree of loyalty to them too and that's not something I say about many companies. There are a number whose products I like very much, but does that make me loyal? Nah, just means I'll give their products a second look in future.
I know some folk on HF aren't entirely happy about this new direction but I respect the fact that they've put their hands up and are doing something about the current problems. Most companies would quietly sweep things under the carpet and then release a new & improved version a year or two down the line with no special treatment for current owners.
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 20, 2016 14:30:18 GMT
Exactly. Most companies would keep pretty quiet and let out a new release later with 'updated features'. I think this way, the company have allowed us an update with the option of recouping the money back via sales of the other one. Only need to sell for £40 or so, and we have in effect, our money back after the discount given the first time around. I thought that it was a good solution for everyone and they now have advance sales on the new model before launch and therefore the funds to get it all going as well. Not only that, but Bob is allowing multi offers so we can use the code as many times as we like. Would make a great present!! I bet it sounds great as well. If it's an improvement on the Sabre, then they really are stretching the capabilities of iem sound at a really low cost as well. Good for them.
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Post by jello on Dec 20, 2016 15:57:27 GMT
I'd assumed that it was a one time only deal. I really hope it isn't abused but I'm sure Bob & co will be keeping an eye on that. I swithered about buying the PM4 during the Black Friday sales and I think with the return customer code it worked out at around £95. That seemed a good price and as I understand it the Master is basically an improved PM4 using Trinity's new drivers (titanium I think) so I have high hopes for this one. ...goes off to order 10 pairs for the 'bay (not)
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 20, 2016 16:05:35 GMT
Well, seeing that we both bought a Vyrus as well, I can't see any problem with buying two. Bob will check to see if you are a past customer in any case, but I think he might allow more than one to go through with the code.
I guess that could lead to abuse of the system seeing that the rrp is £159. Buying a spare and selling at £120 would cover the Vyrus and the cost of the new one which I think is fair enough if you've bought two iems to start with!!
The cable system looks like it's a 3.5 mm connection (I think) at the bottom of the 'y' connection which is fixed into the capsules. I guess that would offer strain relief if it got caught on something which isn't a bad thing.
Looking on HF though, don't you get a lot of moaning about what I see as a pretty good offer? He didn't have to do anything and could have just released a new iem at £159.
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Post by jello on Dec 20, 2016 16:56:04 GMT
That's a fair point. I think some on HF would probably moan if they didn't have something to moan about tbh! But with the timing of the announcement (not great) and the issues with the PM4 I can understand why some owners might be less chirpy. A matter of weeks, or in some case days, of receiving their pre-order PM4 a reworked model is announced, albeit under a new name, and they understandably might feel a bit annoyed at the idea of paying another £60 for the IEM they feel they should have received in the first place. Particularly if they are experiencing cable or filter issues. Can't imagine many Vyrus or Sabre owners complaining too much. Or they might be....whilst furtively sticking in their Master pre-order behind the scenes
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Post by drumdrym on Feb 19, 2017 23:17:59 GMT
Hi Mark and Ian, just been running the Sabers with short barrels/yellow variety about half an hour, really like them sound wise. Glad you were moving them on Mark I reckon I'll be using these a lot. Cable plugs only gripe, once you realise that they take a bit of force to get them to mate properly there okay. Time will tell. I'll experiment with the other combos sometime when I'm short of something to keep me from wearying (never been bored in my life). Meanwhile yellow and short is good, but could I be missing out? Alan
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Post by jello on Feb 20, 2017 13:15:40 GMT
Great to hear you are enjoying them so far Alan!
The cables are really my biggest gripe too but when you consider the relatively low pricing it's a lot easier to be forgiving. The connection can be quite stiff to begin with but over time improves. I've been using my Sabre almost daily since late November and the cable hasn't given me the slightest problem so hopefully yours will prove to be reliable too. If not Ian's suggestion to glue the connectors together works well.
It's enjoyable to experiment with the different filters when time permits as they really do make a difference. But I think you have chosen a good one to begin with and likely aren't missing out on anything. Both Ian and myself favour the yellow (or gold)but if you prefer a bit more bass then the orange is worth trying and if you'd like a more balanced less bass heavy sound perhaps the purple. The other two colours are more 'extreme' and I think for most people they won't be a great choice.
In terms of short vs long filters I don't think there are any audible difference. They're included purely for fit purposes so just go with whichever length you find most comfortable and gives you the best seal.
Best, Mark
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Post by drumdrym on Feb 21, 2017 0:19:20 GMT
Okay where I'm at.......long and purple with the smaller black memory foam tips, a better seal is evident right away then I lost the sound on the right ear so I'll be looking at that come tomorrow, a more permanent connection is desirable. At the moment I'm listening to John Zorn Jazz in Marciac 2010 an hour of sheer bliss, mad and frenetic at times but brilliant musicians and great composition. Really can't believe the sound this combination is producing..............Zorn from YT into Audacity exported as WAV. Samsung S4-mini...Foobar2000 mobile....Long and purple Sabre in ears.... Oh Sch....!t just put on Zorn "Warsaw Summer Jazz Days 1999" bed late must break off for a beer.......pause............
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Post by Rabbit on Feb 21, 2017 7:14:22 GMT
I'm guessing the right plug is playing up. Just a removal and refit normally gets it back but superglue was my eventual fix. The two pin connectors aren't great at all.
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Post by jello on Feb 21, 2017 13:59:32 GMT
No those connectors aren't brilliant.
Alan, if things get to the point where the cable is a major annoyance give me a shout and I'll drop Trinity a line and see if they can replace it under warranty. Their after sales seems to be very good so can't imagine it'd be a problem. Although the replacement might not be much better!!
I had a quick listen to the John Zorn gig you mentioned and it's quite a performance by some great musicians. Totally different to what I thought jazz music sounds like!! Although perhaps they are more avant garde rather than traditional?
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Post by Rabbit on Feb 21, 2017 14:08:30 GMT
He did a very avant garde album called 'Spillane' which starts with an awful scream!!
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