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Post by Mr Trev on Dec 8, 2016 17:34:05 GMT
Since I got my HE400i - which are awesome, esp.at the Black Friday price - I can finally say my ears aren't built for round earpads. No matter how much I fiddle I can't completely get rid of all the pressure points - nothing intolerable tho. It's the same with my X2, and HP150 (RIP). Since this never was an issue with my Senns back in the day - damn comfy - can anybody suggest a good pair of closed backs that use oval earpads. I'm not sure if I've even seen any - other than the new Senn 598c, but those don't seem to be getting much love…
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Post by oldson on Dec 8, 2016 19:35:53 GMT
what is your budget? have you tried the B&W p7 or p9 for comfort. i think Ian tried a 7 recently and quite liked it.
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 8, 2016 19:45:33 GMT
I did indeed, but it is quite a thick sound which I know some people don't like. That's why I'm a bit careful about that one!!
Dt150 has square earpieces with loads of room, although it is a bit too smooth up top again for some.
What's the biggest problem, the length of the cups or the width. Are your lugs going in, but the flaps of your ears touching, or are you lugs trapped under the pads?
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Post by Mr Trev on Dec 8, 2016 20:13:16 GMT
I'd probably be looking at a budget of round ~200 since these will be a secondary pair of cans. I tried one of the B&W pairs a bit back -don't remember which model. Nothing really struck out to me, but it was in a noisy store so probably not the best auditioning environment. I have considered going all out on a pair of PM-3, but that's well out of the budget - esp. now I have the 400i - and I'm still not entirely clear about them. Some folks call em portable on ears (which I can't deal with), others say over ear.
The biggest problem for me is that my ear parts (sorry for the medi-speak) end up rubbing on the inside of the pads. Sometimes my lobe even ends up being squashed under the earpad unless I tuck it in. The stock hp150 pads also had my ears rubbing against the baffle too, but that was easily fixed with thicker pads (hm5). The L-cush that came with my Grado were kind of a half in, half out situation. They almost covered my entire ear, except at the back, which had the earpiece pressing against my ear. Very uncomfortable, s-cush were a little better, but not by much (which is why I ended up making adapters to fit a "proper" set of earpads.
Never used to be an issue for my in my younger days. Used to wear on ears all the time - it was that or earbuds <cringe>. Guess nobody bothered telling me ear pressure sensitivity was a part of getting older
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Post by tonyfly on Mar 27, 2019 13:58:07 GMT
Hi everyone, my first post here. I resume this thread cause I don't want to create yet another one on the same topic. I'm fairly new to headphones. I listen mostly at work where I use a second hand desktop DAC/amp (Yulong DA-9) I bought about 1 year ago. My experience with headphones is limited: Sennheiser Momentum, Focal Spirit Classic, B&O Play H6 (2nd gen.). Now I'm using the 1more triple-driver over-ear budget headphone. I'm looking for a closed back headphone, max budget 800 €. I listen to classical music (expecially baroque, solo instrument like harpsichord, violin, piano, viola da gamba, from small ensemblee to full orchestra), classic rock (but no heavy metal and the like), jazz, blues, country, folk, singer-songwriter. No electronica, EDM, rap, hip-hop, D&B. I like the sound of real instruments, no synthetic sounds. While the 1more have some flaws (over-emphasized bass, intimate/narrow soundstage with lack of depth, etc...) I like the way they present the music, which I'd describe as forward/present. It's like listening from the front row. I don't like a distant, recessed, laid back o veiled presentation. This is why I wasn't impressed by the Focal Elegia which now I'm selling. While the Elegia have a wider and deeper soundstage they sound too distant to me, like listening from the back seats. Also the realism of the intruments timbre is very important. I was surprised when I preferred the 1more over the Elegia in this respect while critical listening to some classical/acoustical music. I'm really tempted by the MrSpeakers Aeon Closed. Given my tastes and preferred music genres, do you think the Aeon can be a good choice? What else can I consider? Thanks in advance.
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Post by solderdude on Mar 27, 2019 15:04:36 GMT
I would call the AEON closed the best bet here. It is very low impedance though.
Good closed headphones are diffcult to find especially when they need to be high quality and offer good isolation.
The AEON closed feels very 'confined' to the ears due to the small pads and they have to seal very well. When you take the headphones off it might feel a bit weird as you draw a little 'vacuum'. Also pressing on the headphones while wearing them feels 'weird'.
Soundwise I think they are excellent with a good tonality maybe a tad too recessed in the upper mids which makes the sound a bit 'lusher' but not in an annoying way to me.
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Post by tonyfly on Mar 27, 2019 15:40:45 GMT
Small pads in not a problem as I have small ears, adherent to the head. Seal might be a problem as I wear glasses, though with thin metal stems. What about details retrieval and transparency on the Aeon? Concerning the way the Aeon presents the music overall, would you call it distant/recessed/veiled or forward/present/live? Last thing, how do they sound at low volume?
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Post by solderdude on Mar 27, 2019 19:39:13 GMT
forward but slightly recessed when it concerns 'clarity / presence' The 'edge' and 'bite' is noticeably lower than that of say a HD600. Note that some find the presence too 'hot'. The AEON is the opposite. Perhaps it could do with a bit more bite.
Would call the mids and treble 'smooth' and not 'hyper detailed'.
At low/medium volume they sound balanced.
Not warm, would say closer to neutral than warm but full without any bloat.
It's not a perfect headphone but for a closed headphone it sounds really balanced and full but is not the dogs bollocks.
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Post by lobalwarming on Mar 28, 2019 20:45:17 GMT
Mr T: My closed minded under $200 choices would be: Senn HD380 - Used in the studio for tracking quite a bit. Very punchy in-your-face bass. Lots of lobal space. Suffers from closed cup mids as most closed phone do. Seems like it's EOL tho. Senn HD569 - possibly a better sounding 598C replacement - not as much rip-your-face off bass as the 380s, but more comfy and cheaper. If you have a local Long & McQuade, might be able to demo the 380s. As well as the AT M50x aural congestion generator. HD569 at Amazon.ca for $129CDN and BestBuy (for too much altho some BB stores might have demo units).
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Post by Mr Trev on Mar 29, 2019 0:49:30 GMT
Mr T: My closed minded under $200 choices would be: Senn HD380 - Used in the studio for tracking quite a bit. Very punchy in-your-face bass. Lots of lobal space. Suffers from closed cup mids as most closed phone do. Seems like it's EOL tho. Senn HD569 - possibly a better sounding 598C replacement - not as much rip-your-face off bass as the 380s, but more comfy and cheaper. If you have a local Long & McQuade, might be able to demo the 380s. As well as the AT M50x aural congestion generator. HD569 at Amazon.ca for $129CDN and BestBuy (for too much altho some BB stores might have demo units). Hey Lobal, long time no chat. Actually I did have the 569 on the list. Read good things about them. But then I bought my 58x and owning two headphones from the same brand would just be weird. That said, the novelty of getting another pair of cans has worn off ATM. Sure, if I happened across an epic deal on those AFC I may jump on them. Also read some reviews of the new Brainwavz HM100 that caught my attention (one review claimed that they may be the closest thing to a closed hd600), but cans have dropped down the priority list. Need to get a proper DAC first… maybe one of those NUC things (for a music server, replace the crappy old laptop I'm using)
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Post by lobalwarming on Mar 29, 2019 3:29:26 GMT
Hi Mr Trev!
Heard you were going on the road to record DACs in their native environment (BestBuy), so thought you still wanted closed cans. But that was so 2016. Next time I'll notice the posting date, ignore it and post something inane anyways. ;-)
A proper DAC? For $200 or under or $2,000 or over?
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Post by tonyfly on Mar 29, 2019 9:57:45 GMT
Thanks you all for the replies. Concerning "punchy in-your-face bass" the 1more TDOE already have plenty of that. I was listening to some good ol' Rock from the '70s yesterday and I had to turn the volume down because it was even too much punchy. And I usually listen at low to moderate levels, I'm not a "up to 11" guy. I'm not a bass head either, even though I like a slightly elevated bass, just that little bit that give body to the music.
OT
I digged a bit in the blog and I was impressed by the modding on the AKG K550/1 cans. Wondering how they sound, but unfortunatelly the mod is beyond my capabilities. Anyway, kudos!
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Post by Mr Trev on Mar 29, 2019 16:16:04 GMT
Hi Mr Trev! Heard you were going on the road to record DACs in their native environment (BestBuy), so thought you still wanted closed cans. But that was so 2016. Next time I'll notice the posting date, ignore it and post something inane anyways. ;-) A proper DAC? For $200 or under or $2,000 or over? I'll bump it over here: diyah.boards.net/thread/1697/dacs(don't want to get banned for derailing my own thread )
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Post by tonyfly on Apr 1, 2019 7:20:56 GMT
Just saw the Massdrop Fostex TR-X00 on Massdrop EU. How these compare to the Aeon Closed?
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Post by solderdude on Apr 1, 2019 16:01:15 GMT
Not comparable in any way.
These are biodynamic drivers and the sound signature is warm/lush where the AEON closed is more neutral and has different sized pads. Impedance also differs.
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