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Post by juke on Mar 4, 2017 23:50:40 GMT
Worked fine this time, thanks Frans. Order placed.
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Post by juke on Mar 8, 2017 18:42:24 GMT
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Post by solderdude on Mar 8, 2017 19:44:35 GMT
The tape thing will be done (and better than any tape could do, otherwise I would have had these mods on there as well) by the filter. It removes the treble peak and improves the overall treble quality.
I might experiment with the notches in the foam some time.
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Post by juke on Mar 8, 2017 23:31:44 GMT
The tape thing will be done (and better than any tape could do, otherwise I would have had these mods on there as well) by the filter. It removes the treble peak and improves the overall treble quality. I might experiment with the notches in the foam some time. I thought from your description in the manual it wouldn't be needed. (I ordered the tape from the US weeks ago, just arrived today!). The new boards are great, finally got the soldering pretty neat, so long as I remember how for the future.....
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Post by jello on Mar 9, 2017 0:47:53 GMT
Would take a braver man than me to crack open and mummify a TH-900 How do you find the PH in stock form Syd from the brief time you've had with them thus far?
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Post by juke on Mar 9, 2017 18:43:11 GMT
Hi Mark I was meaning to apply it to the PH, not the TH-900! The guy who wrote the article used a 900 but reckoned it would work with the Massdrop series too. His description of the improvement seemed to match Fran's filter findings so I checked before starting to work annd Frans as you see confirmed the filter is all that's needed to achieve the same result.
I only heard the PH briefly before they were taken away to await Monday as my wife bought them for my birthday.
When I try any new phones now they feel physically light and it affects my first impressions (being used to the HE6) I think I'll like them fine for certain types of music but certainly I'm looking forward to hearing the improvement in the sub-bass and dampening of the treble.
I have both PH and Mahogany filters ready just to hear the difference between the two. Roll on Monday....
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Post by jello on Mar 10, 2017 0:40:40 GMT
Hi Syd, I'm still not sure I'd have done it to a PH!! From the sounds of it some bits are more reversible than others. Although both modding and filtering might both lead to a 'better' (or more balanced / accurate) headphone I by far prefer the filter approach Frans employs, supplemented by mods where needed. It just seems a bit more precise as 'flaws' in the FR can be specifically targeted with EQ without the risk of introducing other side effects. Unless of course the person doing the mods has a measurement rig to properly assess the changes introduced, what with auditory memory being what it is. From your brief listen it sounds like the PH are similar to the mahogany in the sense that certain types of music seem to work better than others, not that I found anything sounded bad by any stretch. I've heard the HE6 are quite heavy on the head so can imagine it is quite a change coming from them! I've had a similar experience myself and in some cases I think it takes just as long to adjust to the fit / comfort as the sound. Roll on Monday indeed! Enjoying the PH and trying out the various filters
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Post by juke on Mar 10, 2017 18:41:40 GMT
Hi Syd, I'm still not sure I'd have done it to a PH!! From the sounds of it some bits are more reversible than others. Although both modding and filtering might both lead to a 'better' (or more balanced / accurate) headphone I by far prefer the filter approach Frans employs, supplemented by mods where needed. It just seems a bit more precise as 'flaws' in the FR can be specifically targeted with EQ without the risk of introducing other side effects. Unless of course the person doing the mods has a measurement rig to properly assess the changes introduced, what with auditory memory being what it is. From your brief listen it sounds like the PH are similar to the mahogany in the sense that certain types of music seem to work better than others, not that I found anything sounded bad by any stretch. I've heard the HE6 are quite heavy on the head so can imagine it is quite a change coming from them! I've had a similar experience myself and in some cases I think it takes just as long to adjust to the fit / comfort as the sound. Roll on Monday indeed! Enjoying the PH and trying out the various filters I agree Mark, hence checking with Frans before unrolling the sticky tape I'm a complete convert to Frans' Kameleons but when I first read about the PH being quite different I thought Frans would be a long time before he could find time to cook up a recipe for such an obscure one. Its quite a few weeks since I ordered the tape, I ordered through Amazon and assumed it was coming from within the UK, it actually came from the US via a posting agent in Norway or somewhere. Still, since it's medical tape it'll come in handy if I ever get stupid with a scalpel again! It's strange about the weight of the HE6, but when I use particularly the HD650s they feel toylike and it sort of creates a bias against their sound, which is daft.
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Post by jello on Apr 27, 2017 9:51:15 GMT
Currently working out the finer details of a trade over on HF involving my D7200. But all being well I'll be the owner of a TH-X00 again very shortly. Ebony this time.
I do like the Denon but I wanted a (semi)closed back 'phone that offered a different flavour to the HE-560 w/ Kameleon, and the Denon doesn't really offer that. Just a bit too balanced and polite and I find the mids a tad too forward for my liking. Risk of pre-ordering I suppose but I've enjoyed my time with it all the same. Will miss the more premium build and detachable cable though, but can live with the hardwired 'skipping rope' of a cable (my biggest gripe with the Fostex) until I can find someone locally who can shorten it and fit a 3.5mm jack for me.
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Post by solderdude on Apr 29, 2017 13:01:05 GMT
Have ordered some cables. Intend to recable mine. Shorter length, 3.5+6.3mm and less stiff and hopefully less microphonic.
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Post by jello on Apr 29, 2017 14:29:06 GMT
Hardwired or detachable Frans? If the latter what connectors do you plan on using? SMC or 2.5mm?
I don't mind the stock cable but give the choice it would have been shorter (1.8m say) and detachable w/ 3.5mm jack. Perhaps with a 1m extention cord w/ the 6.3mm jack.
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Post by solderdude on Apr 29, 2017 17:07:08 GMT
hardwired. I just want it shorter and not with cloth around it. That material is way to microphonic. SMC is not easy to make unless you are using screened cable.
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Post by jello on May 5, 2017 16:43:09 GMT
Received the ebony a couple of days back.
Really pleasant smooth sounding headphone. Very decent bass that extends well but doesn't over power the midrange. Quite wide open sounding too.
Memory of the mahogany is fading fast so not able to make any comparisons other than to say the treble is a bit less peaky I reckon. Sometimes found the mahogany a bit fatiguing but the ebony seems a bit easier on the ear. Also has a pleasant amount of sparkle up top which gives quite an open sound.
Beautiful dark brown almost black cups, but absolute finger print magnets. Although these weigh in 100g heavier than the mahogany (each cup is 80g rather than 30g) they don't feel heavy on the head. The headband distributes the weight well so no hot spots etc.
Previous owner also included a pair of Dekoni TH-900 leather pads that he'd modded with some carbon foam (odd feeling stuff). He's a measurements guy and I think they improved the measurements in some areas (he offered me REW files but no idea how to use or interpret them). Overall I think these pads do make the TH-X00 sound a little better but the treble seemed a little hot to my ears with some tracks, so sticking with the stock pads for now.
One thing I've found is that small rotations of the stock pads (say 20-30 degrees either way) can change the sound quite a bit.
For someone looking for quite a balanced sounding closed back (mids can at times be a touch too forward I feel though) the Denon is a very decent option. And some may feel it is a better headphone. But for me the ebony is the one I'd pick if I wanted to sit and enjoy some music for a good few hours and comfort is far better.
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Post by Rabbit on May 5, 2017 18:00:10 GMT
They look drop dead gorgeous!!
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Post by Rabbit on Jun 25, 2017 18:19:28 GMT
Frans, I keep forgetting to ask ...
Is the th-x00 similar in FR to the TH900 do you think? Looking at graphs, I think that maybe the TH900 has a slightly higher mid bass perhaps?
Really strange in that for the reputation that the th900 has for the huge bass, it actually has less deep bass presence than even a dt770 on the Kameleon which reduces the the bloat on the Beyer rather well while retaining very low bass.
In fact, it sounds less 'full' than both the Senn and Beyer on Kameleon. Less perceived depth of sound with a sharper top end. Direct comparison makes it seem slightly 'hollow' sounding actually. I guess I'm hearing the peaks around 6kHz and 12/13kHz? Also there's a dip at around 2.5kHz?
I'm curious what a th-x00 filter would do on a Fostex if they're close.
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