I just bought a pair of used Beyerdynamic T51p from eBay for a relatively low price. I never heard them before, so I was wondering what to expect in terms of sound signature, more specifically how do they compare to non-Beyerdynamic headphones? Which headphones would it stack up to or compete with in terms of performance? Thanks.
Some more context would be beneficial for some of your questions... Non-beyerdynamic headphones? I'm not sure what you're getting at but the T51p sound nothing like the traditional Beyer house sound of their over ears. There is no treble harshness whatsoever, in fact the T51p are very warm and moderately rolled off. Bass is a little loose but tastefully emphasized to my ears. Otherwise, are we comparing it to other sealed, on ear headphones I assume? Some similar type headphones that I'm very fond of is the Sennheiser Momentum on ear 2.0 and the Philips Fidelio M1i, both are warm sounding on ears and both can be found for a cheaper street price than the beyers whereas both also have lots of metal in their construction! Hope this helps,
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lobalwarming: But, let's say it's a live rock or jazz band with multi mic mayhem. Most of the phase response of the live performance has already been mortally wounded, and we haven't even made it to the mixdown
Sept 3, 2019 4:03:51 GMT
lobalwarming: Then the recording is mixed in a studio, hopefully with decent monitoring and a mix engineer who hasn't blown his ears out.
Sept 3, 2019 4:05:32 GMT
lobalwarming: After the mix engineer has finished the mix to his/her satisfaction (which means bias), then the mastering engineer takes a whack at it because the mastering engineer doesn't like the biases/tastes of the mix engineer.
Sept 3, 2019 4:08:14 GMT
lobalwarming: Quite likely neither mix engineer nor mastering engineer attended the live recording (unless a boutique label).
Sept 3, 2019 4:09:13 GMT
lobalwarming: Also... the mix & mastering engineer are normally using speakers to monitor and 'optimize' the recording for. Very, very, very few optimize for headphone listening.
Sept 3, 2019 4:14:24 GMT
lobalwarming: Making a really high quality recording that reflects the live performance sonics is really hard. So many places it can go wrong.
Sept 3, 2019 4:15:52 GMT
lobalwarming: The recording/capture/manipulation/production determine about 90% of the ultimate quality. Our little playback chains get to play with the last 10%.
Sept 3, 2019 4:17:24 GMT
lobalwarming: Since there is no perfect headphone, amp, DAC, mic, preamp we have to decide what elements of the live performance we want to focus on
Sept 3, 2019 4:23:02 GMT
lobalwarming: That focus can change depending on our mood/time of day and dozens of other subjective variables
Sept 3, 2019 4:24:47 GMT
lobalwarming: Some days I enjoy the BP ECC40 more, because it's exceptionally transparent and (with a phase-preserving recording) can accurately reproduce a sense of 3D space with excellent depth perception and precise imaging.
Sept 3, 2019 4:26:42 GMT
lobalwarming: Imaging that is a fake, of course. Because stereo is a crude approximation.
Sept 3, 2019 4:27:46 GMT
lobalwarming: Other days, I enjoy the ECC32 more, because its nature enhances the 'experience' - it often feels more engaging despite knowing it too is a fake engagement.
Sept 3, 2019 4:29:57 GMT
lobalwarming: Our brains are amazing at sensory pattern matching and our imaginations can fill in many details. But our brains are easily distracted and often distracting - messing with attention with random thoughts and/or filtering out stimulus.
Sept 3, 2019 4:32:27 GMT
lobalwarming: And before I'm banned from the shoutbox for filling all the boxes... even if I could definitively claim the ECC40 or ECC32 is better than the other, that's just me. Could be that you prefer entirely different tubes and I'm a tone-deaf idiot. ;-)
Sept 3, 2019 4:38:45 GMT
lobalwarming: What I love so much about headphone listening is that it's personal. I can tweak my system to satisfy only my whims, not the collective opinions of friends or the internet
Sept 3, 2019 4:39:59 GMT
lobalwarming: I've bought many tubes, that many claimed were the 'best', only to listen on my system with my ears and decide they were closer to the worst for me. That's why I state it as flavours. There is no objective standard that we all can agree on for live music
Sept 3, 2019 4:42:28 GMT
lobalwarming: Some prefer to be closer to stage/musicians and others prefer the sound blended with some hall acoustics and sit further back.
Sept 3, 2019 4:44:31 GMT
lobalwarming: As a recordist, which spot is the 'best seat in the house'? It's subjective.
Sept 3, 2019 4:45:08 GMT
sene: Thanks for sharing your ideas and opinion...i will give these tubes a try
Sept 3, 2019 4:58:01 GMT
lobalwarming: The ECC31 is the same construction as the ECC32, but for the heater config. The ECC31 with an adapter will still be much cheaper than the ECC32. Which will let you save up for a 1st gen unicorn Black Plate Phillips ECC40 ;-)
Sept 5, 2019 1:33:46 GMT