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Post by Rabbit on Oct 9, 2013 4:58:25 GMT
Soon to appear, Blu-ray audio discs. They'll offer higher resolution than CD and can be played on any Blu-Ray player.
I winder whether it will go the same way as SACD? Perhaps it stands a better chance since no hardware will be needed in most homes. However, since most people don't really connect any decent amps and speakers to their tv's, I wonder whether many will hear the benefit of high resolution?
One of Amy Winehouse's albums will be released in this format.
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Post by Dave on Oct 9, 2013 12:28:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 17:36:29 GMT
will the hi-res playback be on digital outputs or just analogue, as in sacd players?
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Post by Rabbit on Oct 9, 2013 17:49:33 GMT
They'll have digital outputs Simon, if you get the right Blu-Ray player. My Sony blu-ray has optical out which I connect to a couple of active monitors.
Yes, you're thinking like me ...... digital into a DAC into a headphone?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 18:35:30 GMT
They'll have digital outputs Simon, if you get the right Blu-Ray player. My Sony blu-ray has optical out which I connect to a couple of active monitors. Yes, you're thinking like me ...... digital into a DAC into a headphone? i have an sacd player sat under my pc monitor, it does have digital out but only pcm. i know some oppo multi disc players output at hires, but dont know if this is the case with all BR players. i wonder if any have usb out? and could be used with Javier's dac! time for me to do some research, i guess. you got me started now! AGAIN
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Post by Rabbit on Oct 9, 2013 18:39:40 GMT
Sorry!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 18:47:12 GMT
i notice the oppo bdp-83 has usb, but believe it is an input only. i see there are adapters on the market to convert hdmi to usb2 , could these be used for an audio only disc?
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Post by Rabbit on Oct 9, 2013 18:53:59 GMT
TbhThe Simon, if they start producing blu-ray audio players, I bet they have digital out and are expensive at first.
My Sony Blu-ray isn't bad with music. They're talking about high resolution with these discs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 18:59:12 GMT
TbhThe Simon, if they start producing blu-ray audio players, I bet they have digital out and are expensive at first. My Sony Blu-ray isn't bad with music. They're talking about high resolution with these discs. well it will be interesting to learn more about it and see if the format takes off
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Post by Rabbit on Oct 9, 2013 19:02:37 GMT
Since SACD had a tough time, it's a risk for companies. However, it'll double up to play films so perhaps will stand a much better chance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 20:04:09 GMT
1. Does anyone know whether you will have to have it hooked up to a TV to navigate the menus or can you just stick it in and press play?
If the former, then I don't think it will generate many sales. Apart from crazy people like us, most people who have a blu-ray player have either bought one to simply replace an old DVD player or are Home Cinema types with 5.1 or 7.1 setups who prefer BOOM, BANG, CRASH from the latest blockbuster.
2. Will it have full functionality?
I ran a Samsung Blu-ray as source for a few months. Hi-Fi World has championed the use of Samsung Blu-rays as CD Transports because Samsung players consistently had the very lowest jitter when used as a transport through their Co-ax digital out. I eventually gave up because of a loss of functionality. The display does not show track number and it won't let you access a track number directly, i.e. go straight to track 7. To do that you have to press play and then hit next till you get to track 7. Apart from that the sound was lovely, clean and clear, with absolutely none of the lack of bass you get when playing a cd through a DVD player for instance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 17:57:44 GMT
i have read the discs will initially all be 24/96 and cost £16.99 each!!!!
i fancy an oppo bdp now, as this could feed my current dac
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Post by Rabbit on Oct 11, 2013 18:36:55 GMT
Yes. It will be hi res stuff Simon so is going to be a specialised market. It's a gamble but looks interesting and could be a nice alternative to hi res downloads.
It will also depend on what decisions are made as to what to release. I hope poor/old recordings from the beginning of digital recording and cds aren't 're released so they don't really sound that different.
It's an interesting development in audio. Obviously looking for a step in quality to be available for everyone, not just maniacs like us!!
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Post by solderdude on Oct 11, 2013 21:46:40 GMT
The available discs now are all at 48/24 and 96/24 but the format supports 192/24 as well.
Of course just like with many 96/24 and 192/24 downloads a lot of them will be upsampled from 44/16 and brings nothing a modern DAC does by nature (upsample) Personally I think DSD128 and DSD256 would be a preferred format IF recorded in that format. But bluray discs and downloads will be better for PCM based recordings.
The blueray audio seems just a marketing ploy to me to sell some more 'magic' players and to eat from the slowly growing niche hi-res market. It won't be better than downloads and has the inconvenience of having to own and store more discs again. You might see better re-mixes and HOPE they will use this format for releases that are not affected with 'loudness wars'
A new format release in a setting where more and more people like to play from a PC or streaming music centre operated from a phone. More and more people get convinced computer based audio is better and more convenient than playing 'old fashioned' discs. They would be easy to copy/rip as well which is harder for DSD by its nature.
I think the format will fail for that reason. All brands will be launching new 'super players' and the disc industry makes a few more sales but the biggest chunk of the market (young kids with 128kbs MP3 or Itunes songs will always dominate the market.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 12:37:12 GMT
The available discs now are all at 48/24 and 96/24 but the format supports 192/24 as well. Of course just like with many 96/24 and 192/24 downloads a lot of them will be upsampled from 44/16 and brings nothing a modern DAC does by nature (upsample) Personally I think DSD128 and DSD256 would be a preferred format IF recorded in that format. But bluray discs and downloads will be better for PCM based recordings. The blueray audio seems just a marketing ploy to me to sell some more 'magic' players and to eat from the slowly growing niche hi-res market. It won't be better than downloads and has the inconvenience of having to own and store more discs again. You might see better re-mixes and HOPE they will use this format for releases that are not affected with 'loudness wars' A new format release in a setting where more and more people like to play from a PC or streaming music centre operated from a phone. More and more people get convinced computer based audio is better and more convenient than playing 'old fashioned' discs. They would be easy to copy/rip as well which is harder for DSD by its nature. I think the format will fail for that reason. All brands will be launching new 'super players' and the disc industry makes a few more sales but the biggest chunk of the market (young kids with 128kbs MP3 or Itunes songs will always dominate the market. i thought these were all supposed to be re-mastered from the original master copies, rather than upsampled? if what you say is true, then its a rip-off. how could we as consumers tell an upsampled disc against a remastered disc?
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