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Post by Rabbit on Nov 16, 2014 11:25:01 GMT
I have a kind of fondness for Denon's sound. Love the d2000 sound and the ah-d600 is extremely pleasant, although not a neutral headphone. It plays music with a nice 'feel'. The bass goes very low although it is emphasised. The funny thing I consistently find with them is that on some recordings, the bass is positively thunderous and on others, it actually sounds as light. Obviously, some recordings aren't hitting the emphasised section on the D600 I guess. Film soundtracks are stunning on them because of the sub woofer bass. I was watching the newer version of Robocop with them last week and they really 'lock' you in and kind of disappear on your head. His footsteps were just awesome!!! Explosions rattle your head. Biggest criticism of the d600 for me is more to do with treble quality. It can sound a bit 'hard' or 'cool' in the treble, but I do like the really deep bass that it can give on some recordings. Shpongle recordings rattle your brains!!! It looks to me as though Denon aren't doing too well with the new series of headphones since there are deals all over the place. The d600 is going pretty cheap nowadays and now I've found another one really cheap. We're talking portable headphone league here!!! Think Senn px100/px200 prices virtually and you'll see that this is probably a really good deal ...... www.amazon.co.uk/Denon-Urban-Raver-AH-D320-Headphones-black/dp/B00B2X1RJM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1416134808&sr=8-1&keywords=Denon+headphonesObviously, these are not the be all and end all of headphone listening, but at the price levels being offered on them all now, they are really competitive for people who would like a sensitive headphone with deep, rich bass and a really excellent build quality/comfort level. I actually use the ah-d600 quite a bit. It's a really entertaining listen in spite of it not being one of the most neutral headphones. Sometimes it's nice to. Be entertained with something different. I used to love their integrated amps which also tended to send out a bit more bass!! Great value amps they were. With these headphones going so low in price, it makes me wonder about Denon's future. The old d2000/5000/7000 were really highly regarded and Denon's move to these rather stupidly named 'Urban' series seems to have been a bad move for them. They're not as bad as the daft name implies and I always try to listen without worrying about image/looks/intended market. The ah-d320 is aimed at younger people. So is the Fiio X1 but that doesn't stop them actually sounding good. Not keen on hi fi snobbery so each to his own. Anyway, great Christmas gift for relatives or kids. Looks the business and is a reasonable headphone at that price to be sure. My daughter is going to get one. (She loves hi fi too at the age of 9!!!)
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Post by mruzmininu on Nov 17, 2014 16:22:46 GMT
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Post by Rabbit on Nov 17, 2014 17:41:12 GMT
I can't find many reviews of the sound tbh. I have looked around. Are the reviews done at the time of the original price or the current price? Many don't like the look of the ah-d600 but I don't mind them at all. In fact, they are very comfortable. There are varied reviews about the 600 as well, but I really enjoy them if I'm honest. The bass is quite something. Raised but very clearly defined. I was listening to a track from Touch by YELLO yesterday and at one point, the ah-d600 really picks out a bass line that many other headphones just don't pick up anything like as clearly. I can actually hear a melodic line in the bass that isn't there with others. You hear the thud, but not the notes, where the 600 actually picks out the notes quite plainly. So to me, the reviews aren't really that accurate. It is supposed to be a bass orientated headphone and it is. But not at the expense of the rest. I guess hi fi types don't like the quantity of bass which I don't have a problem with. I seem to remember that the next one up had more bass and that was actually too much for me. I do prefer a lift in the bass myself in any case, so that the headphone is a little more speaker like. I'd say that the d600 resembles floor standers in many ways as well. Given the choice of a Senn px200 and the Denon 320, both at the same price, I'd take the Denon. Not at all keen on the Senn 200. I prefer the px100 sound really. Have you found any reviews of the d320 or 321? I'm curious what people say about it. The d600 reviews were very interesting but imo, it has a lot going for it, although not a neutral headphone. Then again, many don't like neutral either. Horses for courses I guess. The look of a headphone has never really worried me at all. Printed specs - 6 - 37 KHz (oh yeah?) 16 ohms. 40mm drivers. Sensitivity 108dB/mW Now going at £29.99. They are hefty in the bass and do resemble the ahd600 slightly. The d600 is more spaces out sounding but the d320 sounds extremely powerful. What is surprising is the size of the drivers and the impedance. Actually, there's a programme for kids in the UK called 'in the Night Garden' and the headphones do make you look like Makka Pakka so I guess the look isn't too great really!!! ?
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Post by mruzmininu on Nov 19, 2014 12:10:14 GMT
They great value for young folks if the Denon d320 are good and durable. The market is saturated with cheap chinese rebadged generic headphones from different brands, selling them all over the places for a similar price. I had the px200 also, did not like the sweaty ear pads and the sound signature after i got the px100. In the end i could not stand the awful clamping force of these portable headphones. Did go for the Denon D1100, very comfortable ear pads a bit too cold sounding for my liking. Settled for the D600 as portables and im happy.
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Post by Rabbit on Nov 19, 2014 17:15:17 GMT
Oh ..... Another d600 owner!! Yay. I like the HD600 more with time. It is more spacious sounding than I first thought and is more refined than the d320. However the house sound is still there. Rich, warm sound with a big bass. I had a problem with the d1100 as well. For me, it just felt shut in and fat. The AKG portable was the same. Hated the px200 and its edge. Px100 I'm ok with. The bass on the Denon's seems to be the biggest criticism as well as its biggest plus, depending on who is reviewing them. I don't mind a flat headphone in any way, but a ramp in the bass is useful for me since to my ears, they sound closer to speakers. I don't like to listen at home to analytical headphones. They have their purpose in monitoring for certain things but for pleasureable music listening, I much prefer a more 'entertaining' kind of sound. I use the Beyer DT150 quite a lot and that is no pussy cat down in the bass, but the Denon's roar. Another headphone that I really like is my D2000. I've been looking for someone to woody and recable it for me actually. Also, I'd like some deeper leather pads. The problem is that I'd have to ship them to the USA, I think unless I did it myself, but ideally, I'd like them altered by someone who knows how to do it properly or even measure what is going on and balance the cups out for me. Main reason is that they can be edgy in the treble and bloated in the bass. A bit more smoothness with the woody cups and pads to push them further out, may well help their bloat and sting!!! They are an excellent listen though. The changes I want are perhaps subtle. D600 is criticised a lot by hi fi people because of the bass. Once you get used to it though, you find many headphones really thin and lacking in real substance tbh. The Sony V6 sounds disgusting after listening through the d600. The d320 is an ok headphone. Again, big criticisms of the bass but at £29, you won't see much better. Yes, it is ugly. I agree now I've seen it on my head!!! Big hearted bass. Smooth top. Bordering on too bassy for me but I do actually like a lot of what it does. If you lift the pads slightly away from your ears, the sound really balances out better as well. I listen on them and think, they're ok, and then move to something else but immediately want to go back to the d320, thinking, actually, it's not as bad as I thought ..... It's the recording. Amping cleans them up as well. I was really surprised that I'd notice anything when they're rated at 16 ohms. However, on the O2, the bass is still full, but somehow cleaner. I have no idea why this could be. It doesn't dominate as much but is still very big. It's a 'fast' headphone as well. Snares sound delicious with a lovely middle tone making them sound almost Tom tom like with the snare sound at the top. It's not as 'crispy' sounding as many other headphones on snares. You really hear the tone. Bass is extremely deep too. Very impressive. However. If you use a d600, you'll know exactly what I'm describing.
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Post by mruzmininu on Nov 19, 2014 20:26:25 GMT
Ian i loved the D600 (my main goal were some D2000) despite the awful reviews and i got 2 of them. I remember you were not so keen about them when they hit the street market, not long ago after you got the D2000 from HMV. Because of the poor price performance ratio (too high R.R.P.) and design changes compared to the classic D2K,5K,7K they were not so sought after at the time and the price did go dooown. Putting some wood on the D2000 that's a costly thing. Some dude at headfi sold his D2000 with separate D7000 wood cups for a regular D2000 price.Probably not worth the PITA and would go for the TH-900 selling off some stuff.
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Post by Rabbit on Nov 19, 2014 21:00:12 GMT
Yes, I see the TH-900 often comes up when people talk about the AH-D7001. Less distortion and not so fat in the bass some say. There is quite a funny thread on HF which was eventually locked because one guy in particular was slating the D7001 and others got really upset with him. He stated going on about the awful distortion figures of the Denon, which I guess must be the same on the D600 since they apparently have the same drivers.
Doesn't stop me from enjoying them at all though!!
I thought that the D2000 was way too expensive, but when I had one given to me by HMV I loved it. They were getting rid of them once it became known that Denon were doing away with them. They were a great buy then and as fast as the deal appeared, it went again and the D2000 was no more.
I'd like to hear the TH-900 so I might keep an eye out and wait for any signs of them coming down like the Denons!!
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Post by mruzmininu on Nov 20, 2014 16:12:29 GMT
The only Fostex with a more fluctuating price is the TH-600 and made in China. The TH-900 it's a "collectors item".And since they made in Japan. The price will stay 1K .
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Post by Rabbit on Nov 20, 2014 19:37:55 GMT
Comparing th AH-D320 with the AH-D600, the 600 is streets ahead. It has more space, more 'air' and a bass presence that doesn't overwhelm the same way as the 320. At least the more expensive one does show quite a lot of improvement.
I do like the AH-D600 actually. It does a lot of things well although it does have a very 'rich' sound. 320 has a huge bass and the pads start to hurt after a while since they are 'on ears' really and are quite heavy on the head.
I would like to hear the 7100 now!!
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