solderdude
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Post by solderdude on Oct 1, 2017 19:08:37 GMT
Yea, I totally agree about the ratings. They may have to revise this still. The HD700 and DT990's (actually almost all expensive Beyers) have too much treble. I wonder if the final responsible product manager at Beyer has hearing damage in that area ? He must have by now  I do think they are on the right path though. Their remarks about great treble for the HD700 puzzles me .. there is a 10dB peak there ! clearly visible and audible. He says " However, the small bump around 9KHz could make the sibilant sounds slightly sharp." I guess he didn't see nor hear the +10dB peak at 6.5kHz. Just e-mailed Sam about that.. I have measured the peak as well but smaller (+5dB) which still is audible.  The 8.1 rating is a bit high IMO. edit: Sam edited the treble evaluation test results. |
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Post by Rabbit on Oct 1, 2017 19:37:17 GMT
I also wonder whether changes have been made to the m50x. From what I read, AT reckoned no changes other than cosmetic were made and yet Sam has scored it really high in his review, putting it in the top rankings for its class.
What I hear is quite different on mine. Maybe mine is an old version and it has been tweaked?
I like their review style a lot, but have a problem with their rankings. Scoring figures are also extremely close.
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Post by fanda on Oct 3, 2017 17:01:52 GMT
They also answered my questions.
1. They are working on updating the rating system to better account for sharper FR peaks/dips, and in general this (rating system update) is high on their to do list.
2. The FR consistency includes human listeners only till 450Hz, with the rest of the spectrum based on the HMS alone.
(I suspect the FR variation between human and HMS will likely be much more than what is seen in the charts in the treble region for all the headphones, but it is difficult to subject people to this type of test without risking their hearing playing annoying tones).
They are definitely listening to feedback.
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Post by lobalwarming on Oct 5, 2017 1:53:39 GMT
They also answered my questions. 1. They are working on updating the rating system to better account for sharper FR peaks/dips, and in general this (rating system update) is high on their to do list. 2. The FR consistency includes human listeners only till 450Hz, with the rest of the spectrum based on the HMS alone. (I suspect the FR variation between human and HMS will likely be much more than what is seen in the charts in the treble region for all the headphones, but it is difficult to subject people to this type of test without risking their hearing playing annoying tones). They are definitely listening to feedback. They're listening to annoying tones AND feedback? That's gotta hurt.  |
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fanda
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Post by fanda on Oct 5, 2017 15:19:56 GMT
They're listening to annoying tones AND feedback? That's gotta hurt. You got me there  But yes, Rtings is coming at this from a different perspective and creating additional data in the process, which is always welcome. |
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Post by solderdude on Oct 5, 2017 21:10:14 GMT
They also answered my questions. 1. They are working on updating the rating system to better account for sharper FR peaks/dips, and in general this (rating system update) is high on their to do list. 2. The FR consistency includes human listeners only till 450Hz, with the rest of the spectrum based on the HMS alone. (I suspect the FR variation between human and HMS will likely be much more than what is seen in the charts in the treble region for all the headphones, but it is difficult to subject people to this type of test without risking their hearing playing annoying tones). They are definitely listening to feedback. They're listening to annoying tones AND feedback? That's gotta hurt. It only hurts when using Beyerdynamic, Grado's and Ultrasone headphones |
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