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Post by howie on Dec 15, 2015 17:32:56 GMT
I didn't find noise too much of an issue with my Denon MM400 either. They're 32 ohms too but relatively low sensitivity at 96dB. The Pandora (used with very careful control of the volume knob!) hissed like a b***er with the same tube. But that's quite an extreme case I guess (8 ohms & 105dB). When I had the Lyr I used to use the Denon D2000 with it (25 ohms & 106dB). Quite a high noise floor but I was willing to live with that because the pairing was gorgeous. Very organic and live sounding yet also very well controlled. I feel exactly the same with the Horizon, it generates more hiss than the Ember in some low impedance cans but I couldn't be without the Horizon because it reproduces music with such passion as I've not heard before.
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Post by howie on Dec 15, 2015 17:38:25 GMT
That's not a problem Howard. The option to adjust the channel balance is something I'd find hard to give up too. It's also a bugbear of mine when recordings seem lopsided....sometimes that's down to my hearing (think my left ear is slightly weaker than the right) but not always. Either way the option to tweak things to my liking would be very welcome! I'm convinced where Classical is concerned many recording engineers have never been to a live classical concert. I mean, why does the piano have to stretch the whole width of the room with treble to the far left and bass to the far right. Nobody listens to a piano sitting inside the instrument facing the pianist. Same with quartets, they think because the first violin has most of the main themes it has to be constantly highlighted, to the detriment of everything else going on. There, now I feel better!! PS. Going to a movie now with the wife- she wants to know why I've had some new headphones playing for 2 hours when I'm not listening to them. I don't think she will be able to understand the concept of burn in. All she'll go on about is the electricity bill. Cheers.
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Post by howie on Dec 15, 2015 18:03:11 GMT
That's not a problem Howard. The option to adjust the channel balance is something I'd find hard to give up too. It's also a bugbear of mine when recordings seem lopsided....sometimes that's down to my hearing (think my left ear is slightly weaker than the right) but not always. Either way the option to tweak things to my liking would be very welcome! You might like the Sennheiser HZR62 then. It doesn't colour the sound to my ears, though I have reduced the chord length to 1M. The sliders occasionally get scratchy when a blast of Deoxit into the slider mechanism sorts things out.
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 15, 2015 18:07:18 GMT
I've never understood the stereo width thing with pianos either. In your front room, the piano is as big as the wall virtually!!
I wish that a little more care was taken over acoustics. Particularly with orchestral music. It's because of that that I very often prefer live concerts where it's not always so stretched out left to right.
I'd just use high impedance headphones with the Horizon, Howard. Not only better as far as the noise goes, but generally speaking, they are better controlled as well. Low impedance headphones can be a bit 'flappy', although they are easier to drive in most cases. The thing is that they need more current and tubes aren't really so good at that.
Even my new Beyer dt990 sounds excellent from the Ember and they're only around £100. The black version seems a bit 'lighter touch' to me as well. I think that we tend to start overlooking these 'basic' headphones that are great value and don't sound at all bad when you return to them. In fact, the Ember gets a really good grip of the DT990.
For orchestral, the raised treble works well with string tone as well.
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Post by howie on Dec 15, 2015 18:17:07 GMT
Well that's the thing, when you are close up to a piano in a domestic setting it sounds more mono than stereo- none the worse for that though. When I'm listening at home I try and imagine I'm in the middle of the front row of a small concert hall or large room, like in those big country houses, and there's just me and the piano- I'm a frustrated player really!
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Post by howie on Dec 15, 2015 18:21:11 GMT
I've never understood the stereo width thing with pianos either. In your front room, the piano is as big as the wall virtually!! I wish that a little more care was taken over acoustics. Particularly with orchestral music. It's because of that that I very often prefer live concerts where it's not always so stretched out left to right. I'd just use high impedance headphones with the Horizon, Howard. Not only better as far as the noise goes, but generally speaking, they are better controlled as well. Low impedance headphones can be a bit 'flappy', although they are easier to drive in most cases. The thing is that they need more current and tubes aren't really so good at that. Even my new Beyer dt990 sounds excellent from the Ember and they're only around £100. The black version seems a bit 'lighter touch' to me as well. I think that we tend to start overlooking these 'basic' headphones that are great value and don't sound at all bad when you return to them. In fact, the Ember gets a really good grip of the DT990. For orchestral, the raised treble works well with string tone as well. Amazing-those DT990's are the new ones I'm burning in right now! Oh there she is again-have to go, will catch up with you later Ian.
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 15, 2015 18:38:15 GMT
They work well with orchestral imo Howard. The sparkle in the top helps string tone and the bass is quite deep and full as well. In fact, I'm listening to 'Composer of the Week' on Radio 3 where they're featuring Northern composers. (Icelandic) I'm going through the Ember now.
The depth of the DT990 bass really helps in those lower bassoon and lower string passages where you need the bass but also, the treble makes it easier to differentiate them.
250 ohms impedance means that there is zero noise from the Ember as well.
They're not a flash headphone, but they work well. Great at that price when you think, for a th900, I could buy ten of them!!!
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Post by howie on Dec 15, 2015 22:55:57 GMT
Good to have your endorsement Ian. I actually got them about 3 weeks ago but have had very little time to use them. I was immediately struck at how the detail was all there even at very low volume, which is great for late night listening. They are also very comfortable. This morning I listened to some Gregorian Chant and imagined quite easily standing at the far end of a cathedral listening to the distant singers. Uncanny really. I'm going to give them a run with my favourite test record of the month- Handel Trio Sonatas-you probably know the ones, the Op2 with the lovely flute parts. It's a tough task for a system to keep track of all the interweaving baroque instruments within a large reverberant church acoustic but I'm sure the 990's with Ember and Horizon's help will be well up to the mark.
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 16, 2015 9:11:11 GMT
One thing that many don't realise about the dt990 Howard, is that where you place them makes quite a difference to the sound. If you have a 'sharp' sounding recording, move them back on your head. If you have a 'flat' sounding recording, move them forward. The quality of the treble changes, depending on where you wear them on your head.
For me, low onto my jaw and forward gives a snappy response.
Coming from the Ember, you get that lovely tube warmth and an openness that is really excellent if you wear the DT990 forward on your head. If this were measured with a virtual 'ear' in place, the measurements would look very different.
The 'u' shaped frequency response kind of makes sense for low level listening imo. Monitoring headphones need to be flatter and are played louder so less of a 'u' is desirable.
Tyll has been looking at 'ideal' frequency response curves and it seems to be a fairly 'fluid' curve with different ideas as to what constitutes flat but having a skew at each end is fine if you listen at low volumes. I think listening volume and frequency response curves need to work together for the actual listening experience.
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Post by howie on Dec 16, 2015 12:49:47 GMT
Thanks, I must try those ear positions.
I can remember trialing an AKG 550 I think it was-great value, but they were so huge they were moving all over my ears and making some very weird sound effects in the process.
I experimented a bit this morning and I think my sensitive, low impedance, in ear phones sound best from Starlight-no noise or hiss at all-that's to be expected from the specs and manual. I guess it helps to read!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 1:42:08 GMT
I'm looking for another amp to complement my Ember II, and I'm searching for a solid state amp. I'm feeling that Polaris might be a very good choice. After reading in this thread and the Polaris thread it's difficult to pinpoint clear differences in quality between this and the Ember. Can anyone shed some more/clearer light on this matter? The other amp I'm curios about is the Grace Design m9xx with dac(don't really need dac), and is also almost double the price of the Polaris. It looks like my main headphone will be the Fostex TH-x00 for a while, and that's a 25ohm load. Maybe the Polaris will be a better choice for this headphone cop mpared to the Ember? Received my TH-X00 today and have to say the pairing with the O2 is very nice indeed. Nice cheap option if you have a standalone DAC already. The Grace M9XX does look tasty though if an all-in-one solution is preferable. Not cheap but seems well regarded.
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Post by tommo21 on Dec 19, 2015 16:00:04 GMT
I'm looking for another amp to complement my Ember II, and I'm searching for a solid state amp. I'm feeling that Polaris might be a very good choice. After reading in this thread and the Polaris thread it's difficult to pinpoint clear differences in quality between this and the Ember. Can anyone shed some more/clearer light on this matter? The other amp I'm curios about is the Grace Design m9xx with dac(don't really need dac), and is also almost double the price of the Polaris. It looks like my main headphone will be the Fostex TH-x00 for a while, and that's a 25ohm load. Maybe the Polaris will be a better choice for this headphone cop mpared to the Ember? Received my TH-X00 today and have to say the pairing with the O2 is very nice indeed. Nice cheap option if you have a standalone DAC already. The Grace M9XX does look tasty though if an all-in-one solution is preferable. Not cheap but seems well regarded. I think I might go for the Gustard H10 with Burson V5 op-amps as a secondary solid state alternative. I'm also looking to buy the Beyerdynamic DT-1770 pro 250 ohm to try with the Ember as a better pairing than the TH-x00. I see those who have both the H10 and the Grace M9XX seem to mostly prefer the H10 amp. I've also thought about the Starlight for my low impedance headphones. Might also get that one to try out. Polaris might not be the right choice for low impedance headphones like the Ember as I've read and when I've searched around different sites. Merry Expensive Christmas to me;-)
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Post by howie on Dec 20, 2015 9:41:05 GMT
I think in general some amplifiers can have problems with low impedance cans because of the high current flow demand. Hiss is my main problem with some low impedance cans. Some of my low impedance cans never hiss, others do. It seems related to the sensitivity and frequency outputs of the can as well. Those with higher treble emphasis seem to hiss louder-I suppose that makes sense.
Thankfully, with all G1217 amps there's ways to remove hiss. You can raise the output impedance, but that may colour the sound (not necessarily adversely though) and you can also use a lower gain tube. There's also the option of adding some sort of in line resistor between the amp output and the can, again to lower the power output. I don't get much hiss problem with Polaris, it's a very quiet amp and only my cheap IEM'S hiss if I inadvertently connect them when the amp is set on high gain, which is inappropriate anyway for them. It's easily corrected by reducing the output gain by moving the jumpers. Starlight in my experience is more forgiving of noisy tubes and is my choice for low impedance, high sensitive cans. Ember and Horizon are more designed to handle the higher impedance cans-though some lower impedance cans are excellent with them, eg HE400.
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Post by techboy on Dec 20, 2015 10:14:31 GMT
Today was a revelation. By maxing out the sound in my PC and DAC and controlling via Ember's volume pot everything is way more awesome. The soundstage and imaging especially is way way better. Why did you not tell me to do this before? This has made the biggest difference in my music with the Ember so far. No other change comes close. And the same goes for my AVI speakers as well. The difference in AVI speakers is so big with this change it ain't funny. I can't even find the speakers in the soundstage now. This is the biggest change since I got the tweeters changed. And this change is actually just as big but in a different way of course. Why didn't anybody tell me to do this before?
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Post by solderdude on Dec 20, 2015 11:55:16 GMT
Today was a revelation. By maxing out the sound in my PC and DAC and controlling via Ember's volume pot everything is way more awesome. The soundstage and imaging especially is way way better. This has made the biggest difference in my music with the Ember so far. No other change comes close. Why didn't anybody tell me to do this before? Why haven't you READ about this before ? All forums discussing digital audio recommend working this way... it's common (sensible) knowledge. Nobody NEEDS to tell you anything/everything ... it's your responsibility to READ and understand these matters. Everything you need to know is already written a thousand times over on many forums. Just use a search engine and google your questions... read the answers and if still unclear or need to know something you could not find ANYWHERE then aks a question about it. Those questions I will be happy to answer.
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