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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 7:54:33 GMT
I was skeptical about a filter (or EQ) being able to add anything too. However, the Sonarworks EQ does in fact add low bass that just wasn't there previously so I'm inclined to believe the guys who've used the physical filter that it does indeed add sub-bass where it's required.
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 27, 2016 9:06:45 GMT
The hd650 with Kameleon is one of the best I've heard, but some folks don't find Senns that great because of their ''unremarkableness'!!' Flat eq isn't for everyone since by its very nature, it should sound 'normal' which isn't always flattering.
If you compare say, an hd650 on Kameleon with a DT990 on one, they don't sound exactly the same for other reasons, even though both are eq'd as near as dammit to flat, but part of the headphone's sound sig does remain. So you can always tell if it's a Senn or Beyer but they are both improved. (Although I know that the Beyer filter has been modified since I heard it, I did hear other filters as well)
What I'm saying is, if you don't like the basic sound of a Senn, then eq will help, but the Senn sound remains in essence. If anything, I think the hd650 sounds more hd600 like with a filter but goes way deeper without a mid bass hump. So if Husafreak isn't keen on a 600, he might be surprised by the closeness of the 650 with filter.
I personally like the 600 but it's top end seems just a tad rougher than the 650 with a little less mid bass weight without filtering.
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Post by techboy on Jan 27, 2016 17:06:53 GMT
Did you try Sonarworks Ian? What about Accudio with HD 650? And Noisebud Listen for HD 650?
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 27, 2016 17:11:53 GMT
I have it but rarely use it, Aakshey. It ties me to the computer and I prefer to use separate units if I'm honest.
I know that it's a good piece of software but I'd rather use a Kameleon tbh. I have also used Accudio. That is excellent, but again, you're tied to Apple devices which I'm not keen on.
Noisebud, I don't actually know.
The best I've heard is hd650 with a Kameleon. I aim to get one some time. I'd use it with DT990, 770 and hd650 though. Those three give me different sigs that are useful for a wide variation of music.
Ideal for me would be a Kameleon with three switches to choose filter!!! Plus a bypass.
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Post by husafreak on Jan 27, 2016 18:39:50 GMT
Imagine a HD600 that has (deep sub) bass and is a tiny bit less 'strident' in the treble. That's what the filter will do for the HD600 UM, that would be awesome! I wouldn't say I don't like the HD600, or Sennheiser sound. Just that I don't understand why they are so popular. Obviously buying a Kameleon will be more of a risk for me personally. But solderdude pretty much nailed my problem with the Senns. I find the Senns bass is crisp and well defined just no really low information, which I think is essential to really enjoying the music, but I am no basshead. And they are a little too much in the treble for me, I guess strident is the word. I probably shouldn't compare too much to my main system. Harbeth SHL5+ and Krell amps. Glorius and accurate. The comparison really shows up any deficiencies in the head phones. The recent posts were very informative, thanks. |
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Post by solderdude on Jan 27, 2016 19:13:52 GMT
I find the Senns bass is crisp and well defined just no really low information, which I think is essential to really enjoying the music, but I am no basshead. That's so true, I am no basshead either. Subbass is equally important than the rest of the spectrum IMO. Only when you heard it you realise that was what has been missing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 19:36:16 GMT
Ye dinnae miss whit yev nivur hud!  |
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Post by ronzo56 on Jan 28, 2016 1:27:02 GMT
I have a Kameleon that Frans made as a sort of "joke" and sent to me for the older HD650. Thanks again Frans. IMHO it makes the HD650 sub-bass better than the Fostex TH-900 which I have spent some time with. As to the treble, it is much better than the TH-900, IMO. To me the filters do a better job than EQ as they are designed for the specific headphone. Anxiously awaiting the filter for the HD 800. Go Jeremy go!  |
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Post by husafreak on Jan 28, 2016 5:58:31 GMT
Ye dinnae miss whit yev nivur hud! Yes! I have a speaker system that shows me what I am missing when I put my phones on. I will keep my HD600's and get a Kameleon when they become available. I am loving this DIY aspect of headphone culture. Oh, BTW, I did win an auction today for "Military JAN Sylvania 6922/6DJ8" two tubes for $12.50 plus shipping. I can't remember what "chips" cost but add the fish and I am there, LOL. I like "tube rolling" as long as it's no more expensive than a stop at the diner  |
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Post by husafreak on Jan 28, 2016 6:04:00 GMT
And regarding my previous post. Is it bad if I listen to my vinyl through the HD600's with the volume wide open? Does that somehow degrade the amps ability to play well? Should I take the time to change the input attenuation settings if that happens? I am thinking about "headroom" would it not compromise the Ember's ability to recreate dynamic peaks? A penny for your thoughts...
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Post by solderdude on Jan 28, 2016 7:11:45 GMT
Actually this depends on the tube.
When you use 'similar' tubes as what the amp is primarily designed for (ECC88/6DJ8 variants) then vinyl is not a problem.
Assuming the cartridge is limited to say 40-50kHz then the amp will always follow the input signal.
The headroom of the Ember is so huge that even the worst 'ticks' won't clip the amp nor reach rise-time limits even when playing at very loud levels.
Tubes that have a darker sound (roll-ed off) may portray the 'ticks' as less sharp.
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 28, 2016 16:27:36 GMT
What about Accudio with HD 650? Aakshey, I've just realised that you have an Ipad. So Accudio would give you a 'feel' of what the Kameleon does. It is an enclosed piece of software so you can only play Music bought through Apple or Podcasts. I think music loaded on works as well actually. You basically download the profile of your headphone and play the music through the software. If you want, you can 'emulate' other headphones as well so you can hear how it would sound on something else. What I mean is that say, I'm using a Seenheiser Momentum.... I can change the settings for it so that the Momentum kind of sounds like a Denon D2000. Quite useful when you see someone describing a headphone that you don't have..... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 1:29:41 GMT
It doesn't work that way Ian. You'd have to imagine the headphone you're not listening to sounding opposite (more or less) to what you are listening to. That would be some task. Unless I'm missing something.
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 29, 2016 11:54:12 GMT
Oh sorry, Gordon. Maybe I have it wrong.
My understanding of it was that you download the profile of the headphone that you're using. While using the profile, if you go into options, you can use 'flat' or choose from the (limited) section of headphones underneath which plants that headphone signature on top. It's only in the options menu when you're using a headphone profile.
In settings, you choose a headphone, press 'edit', press 'high end simulation' and then you have a choice of 'HiFi Flat (recommend), and then a list of high end headphones that it will emulate.
I wish the hd800 was listed there, but it's not.
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Post by Thujone on Jan 29, 2016 20:55:34 GMT
I believe I saw somewhere that solrighal tried the Schiit LISST with the Ember, but I don't remember seeing any impressions.
Just realized Schiit is selling these as singles instead of just pairs, so now I'm curious. Does anyone here have impressions with the LISST?
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