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Post by darkarn on Oct 24, 2017 17:24:33 GMT
Schiit tech support has confirmed with me that it is ok to stack stuff above their products with these caveats: 1. No blocking of vents/holes 2. Not too heavy (e.g. placing a literal elephant over the Mimby is definitely a no-no! ) 3. Be careful of scratching the top of the product. Some rubber feet will help here I guess?
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Post by darkarn on Nov 30, 2017 4:58:01 GMT
I was playing around with my LSR 305's Input Sensitivity Switch and used +4 dBu instead of the usual -10dBV setting despite feeding an unbalanced line out signal (via RCA to TS cables) from the Ember to them
To my surprise, once I increased the volume on the LSRs just a bit more, I can get sound, better trebles but somewhat less energy. Less hissing also. Is the Ember outputting a mic level signal or still a line level signal?
Also, does this mean a DI box is not needed at all or just get first if possible? I am ordering stuff tonight and I think I can also order one if need be
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Post by solderdude on Nov 30, 2017 5:55:33 GMT
It's a line level signal. Max 3.2V (+4dBu) with an output resistance of 100 Ohm. loads between 1kOhm and 100kOhm can be used (single ended) -10dBV = 300mW is about the signal from DIN or old RCA outputs also called 'domestic level' +4dBu = 3.5V is about the max output voltage of modern DACs and also called 'studio level' www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-db-volt.htmmicrophone levels are around -40dBV to -60dBV or so. A DI box is not needed at all. Only when you have really long signal lines (well over 10 meters) or these lines are close to mains cables balanced is not needed.
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Post by darkarn on Nov 30, 2017 21:01:12 GMT
It's a line level signal. Max 3.2V (+4dBu) with an output resistance of 100 Ohm. loads between 1kOhm and 100kOhm can be used (single ended) -10dBV = 300mW is about the signal from DIN or old RCA outputs also called 'domestic level' +4dBu = 3.5V is about the max output voltage of modern DACs and also called 'studio level' www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-db-volt.htmmicrophone levels are around -40dBV to -60dBV or so. A DI box is not needed at all. Only when you have really long signal lines (well over 10 meters) or these lines are close to mains cables balanced is not needed. Thanks for the link! With that, I found other useful ones like this: www.rane.com/note110.htmlI understand that DI boxes are kind of overkill for my situation but I am just unsure of just one thing which is influencing my asking about it: Is unbalanced signal just good enough or should I strive for a balanced signal whenever possible? This is something that I cannot Google easily unfortunately, the debate about it is... quite complicated to say the least. I get that balanced signals allow much longer signal lines and less noise (e.g. common mode noise) but also that making the audio chain more complicated can lead to noise and other issues Edit: Yes, I remember your advice that I do not need to worry about the DI box, it is just that niggling concern (most probably triggered by Black Friday...?) about balanced signal that I want to straighten out once and for all
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Post by solderdude on Nov 30, 2017 21:30:23 GMT
In any case an extra transformer or electronics in the path can ONLY degrade the signal quality.
Balanced is something that is used in studio and PA world for the reasons I mentioned. People started 'demanding' it in their higher-end audio and where there is demand there is a market and there is money.
In NO WAY does adding a transformer in the chain do anything good. Yes, there will be people claimig all sorts of 'improvements' they heard. Consider that balanced signal also doubles the input voltage. A louder signal is ALWAYS perceived as 'better' even though technically the signal is exactly the same. It's how the brain works.. That's why the most expensive DACs usually have higher output voltages... so in a direct comparison they will always 'win'.
The Ember is single ended and the LSR305 is internally single ended. There is no profit in having 'balanced' signal lines in this case. Regardless how some rave about balanced..
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Post by darkarn on Dec 1, 2017 3:22:10 GMT
In any case an extra transformer or electronics in the path can ONLY degrade the signal quality. Balanced is something that is used in studio and PA world for the reasons I mentioned. People started 'demanding' it in their higher-end audio and where there is demand there is a market and there is money. In NO WAY does adding a transformer in the chain do anything good. Yes, there will be people claimig all sorts of 'improvements' they heard. Consider that balanced signal also doubles the input voltage. A louder signal is ALWAYS perceived as 'better' even though technically the signal is exactly the same. It's how the brain works.. That's why the most expensive DACs usually have higher output voltages... so in a direct comparison they will always 'win'. The Ember is single ended and the LSR305 is internally single ended. There is no profit in having 'balanced' signal lines in this case. Regardless how some rave about balanced.. Thanks! I brought this up is that I am seeing some people using DI boxes to connect to the LSRs using balanced XLR and I thought it will make things better I read through the manual again and can confirm that it mentions that it can be used with consumer equipment and that unbalanced signal can be used too: "The 3 Series Speakers are equipped with balanced XLR and 6 mm (¼") TRS inputs for connection to professional computer audio interfaces, mixing consoles and audio production equipment as well as unbalanced consumer audio products including personal music players, consumer audio receivers and audio visual equipment. Connect professional equipment with balanced outputs to the XLR or 6 mm (¼") TRS input of the speaker using balanced signal cables." Based on what you mentioned, I think this means that the LSRs is merely being flexible in allowing both consumer and professional equipment, with their varying output signal strength and regardless of them being balanced or not, to be used since most powered speakers usually cannot do this. In short, my deduction of all these is to just use the best connector available at hand and do not add additional stuff to the chain without strong reasons? I am quite interested in knowing how you know that the LSRs is internally single ended; this is the first time I heard that about the LSRs as I was under the impression that it is internally balanced too
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Post by darkarn on Dec 4, 2017 10:40:29 GMT
More on-topic: Is there any way to make the pre-amp out louder by a bit more (or more like should I attempt to do so)? I have already bypassed the input attenuator for starters
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Post by solderdude on Dec 4, 2017 12:30:16 GMT
Yes, a matter of soldering 2 resistors on the underside of the PCB in parallel to 2 existing resistors
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Post by darkarn on Dec 4, 2017 15:03:46 GMT
Yes, a matter of soldering 2 resistors on the underside of the PCB in parallel to 2 existing resistors Thanks! May I know how should I do this?
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Post by solderdude on Dec 4, 2017 15:21:21 GMT
You need to buy 2 resistors and be able to solder them on the bottom. To determine the values of the resistors I need to know how much extra dB you need.
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Post by darkarn on Dec 5, 2017 5:11:01 GMT
You need to buy 2 resistors and be able to solder them on the bottom. To determine the values of the resistors I need to know how much extra dB you need. Thanks, give me some time to test this out
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Post by ba on Dec 14, 2017 15:45:49 GMT
Hey pps, I have been enjoying a project ember as preamp for my system for about 3 months now. Stil a very happy customer so far. I read up on the last like 50 pages of this thread and am curious about the linear PSU, is it til in the pipeline? I didnt find anny info about it on the website and last i read about it here was like 10 pages back.
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Post by solderdude on Dec 14, 2017 18:34:37 GMT
Welcome to the forum BA.
The linear was abandonned by Jeremy. It became more expensive than the Ember, was quite huge and heavy (shipping costs) and the metal work would become expensive. He did not see it becoming a product.
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Post by darkarn on Dec 15, 2017 9:36:56 GMT
What alternatives are available in this case? (I feel that this is a good-to-have rather than a must-have unless the power supply in the house is that unclean though)
Also, I checked on my side for my case, turns out that actually I have had a strange habit of not wanting to use the full pot. As in, prior to my testing, I was playing music at 89 dB (due to ReplayGain). At 12 o'clock position, the music was already quite loud; going further would have damaged my hearing for sure. I then played around with the volume attenuator and realised that even with the attenuator, the music is still decently loud at 4 o'clock position. Even softer sources can still be heard clearly. This also sounds good despite getting my LSRs to be at the less sensitive position. Best part is that despite the pot being at the maximum position, the sound quality does not drop unlike some other audio products (which was where I think that habit came from)
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 15, 2017 10:03:52 GMT
I use an attenuator whenever possible. That means that you are tracking at the best part of the pot and it gives you a much finer control over slight volume adjustments.
With the Ember, you will get a slightly more ‘tubey’ flavour too.
Personally, I think amps are working at their ‘best’ when you around 12 to 3 o clock.
I know that some feel the need to have it low because then it feels like a powerful amp and all that, with loads of volume left at your fingertips, but on the whole, the second half of the pot travel rarely gets used because of that.
I kind of compare it to microphones .... I try to raise the volume of a mic so that the peaks hit a certain level. Then the self noise of the mic is left away at the bottom of the sound. Too high, and it gets compressed and then it clips once it hits zero db, too low and the clarity is there but so is the noise. Get it right and the mic sounds full with low noise.
The same happens with headphones, but the other way around!!
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