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Post by Javier on Jul 9, 2013 19:32:19 GMT
Sounds like it is a parasite
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Post by Rabbit on Jul 9, 2013 21:03:11 GMT
Sounds like it is a parasite But is apparently one of the best out there? JRiver seem to have issues with it claiming that it interferes with their software. I think I'll stick with Foobar and VLC!!
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Post by Javier on Jul 9, 2013 21:52:59 GMT
I don't quite understand the philosophy of that player, if I was truly worried about "evil" Windows processes and such I'd go for something like Mpdpup or VoyageMPD (both free), they are truly minimalist OS+player combos based on Linux specifically designed and optimized for audio. They also have the advantage of running on the least powerful CPUs so no need for fans, large (and noisy PSUs), etc.
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Post by juke on Jul 10, 2013 15:46:26 GMT
If you don't believe in magic or voodoo no, it is not better than Foobar. There is a trial version you can download and check yourself. Foobar can be setup to play from RAM just as JPlay and many other players including JRiver. In this guide you'll find how to configure it (at the end of the page): linkIn this link you can see it compared with other players: linkHi Javier As you know(!) I had bought Jplay a while back and to be honest I can't say much for or against it though I haven't tried meticulous comparative listening or anything. Anyway, your post reminded me why I had stopped using it on the system which runs from my day to day PC. Before using Jplay I had used straight Foobar via my Asus soundcard into a MF V3 DAC (considerably modified under Alex's guidance) and I really like the sound it gives into 'phones. The V3 is limited to 24/96 but by chance I played some 24/192 and they played fine. When I started Jplay there was no sound though nothing crashed or anything. So I must have switched it off at that time then forgotten it was out of the mix. When you reminded us of the 'play from memory' feature of Foobar I started it and the same thing happens as with Jplay, no sound. So the Asus must do something which lets the V3 play 192, so long as Jplay or play from memory isn't initiated. So the soundcard must be less transparent than I thought it was supposed to be when passing the signal to the offboard DAC. Syd
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Post by Javier on Jul 10, 2013 19:16:51 GMT
Syd, which output mode are you using in Foobar? If you can play 192K through the V3 it makes think you may not be using WASAPI or ASIO to the Asus. If you are using Directsound you may actually be sending whatever you have configured as system's default, tipically 48K. I don't see any reason why playing from would result in no sound, the signal should be the same no matter its origin be it a samll buffer between HDD and soundcard or a bigger buffer storing the whole track/album.
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Post by juke on Jul 12, 2013 12:27:11 GMT
Hi Javier
You're quite right of course. I was using "DS:S/PDIF Pass Through Device". Sort of misunderstood/didn't even notice the DS - I think I assumed it was Digital Stream!
Funny thing is, to me anyway, that KS (which John Kenny recommends for his DAC that I use on another computer) doesn't come up as an option in Foobar yet Jplay shows it as what it is using for playback. When I use Jplay with a 192 track the VU? bars at the top of my Foobar layout show it as playing but no sound from 'phones of course.
So all is well now, thanks.
Syd
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Post by Javier on Jul 12, 2013 19:26:27 GMT
For KS output in Foobar you need to install the plugin that enables it: www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_out_ksThough if you are using Windows Vista or later like W7 or W8 it makes much more sense to use WASAPI, no matter what "esoteric" claims you may read. Kernel Streamig was introduced in Windows XP and it replaced by an improved and enhanced method called WASAPI in Vista. Still, if available I'd recommend ASIO. It is more direct and shorter path to the device drivers so less chances for Windows to screw things up. BTW, I mean if true ASIO drivers are available, ASIO4All IS NOT ASIO but a "desguised" Kernel Streaming.
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Post by juke on Jul 13, 2013 13:08:54 GMT
Still, if available I'd recommend ASIO. It is more direct and shorter path to the device drivers so less chances for Windows to screw things up. BTW, I mean if true ASIO drivers are available, ASIO4All IS NOT ASIO but a "desguised" Kernel Streaming. Thanks Javier. I've set preferences to Asio:Asus Sonar Asio driver. In Control Panel I've set the audio option to SPDIF pass-through device as default. Up to 96 plays fine, 192 no sound, as I now expect. But in both cases the sound comes out of the PC's own speakers (which I normally have switched off when using 'phones). Is there something else needs set or is this normal? Syd
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Post by Javier on Jul 13, 2013 15:42:03 GMT
Sent you an email Syd
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