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Post by Rabbit on Sept 14, 2016 10:23:10 GMT
Sound is a little different. It has bass, but less quantity so there is no lower mid clouding up going on. Where the Sony mdr1a whacks it out, the mids can get pushed out so you kind of sacrifice clarity to some extent for that juicy bass. With the MSR7, you sacrifice a heft in the bass for a strong sense of clarity. This seems more like a Hifi type headphone and more analytical.
Mids are very good. Voices are right there.
Treble isn't as sharp as I expected. Then again, I sometimes happily use a Sony v6. The treble is what I'd describe as quite 'clattery'. Suggests a peak, but not at the top.
It's one of those headphones where you feel that you're not missing too much and maybe more a question of whether you can get on with a mid focused sound. Because there is less quantity of bass, it sounds almost 'open' but at the same time, restrained by its own 'acoustic'.
It sounds very controlled at the moment. Almost like it needs to just let go. Maybe it's all a bit tight and might 'relax' like my old Superlux did? I have never really been aware of break in with headphones .......
It sounds a bit over controlled to me. Maybe having two chambers in each cup kind of dampens everything. Is it overdamped?
Strange headphone. On the one hand, I like the clarity but on the other, it feels as though it's held back. Almost the opposite to the Sony which is over exuberant and too keen to whap it all out at you.
Not sure about the sound. It's good, but for me as a musician, it's clean, clear and delivers the notes but just doesn't sound 'down and dirty' enough to communicate music to me. It's just really clear notes and seems detatched from the effort going into the music.
Actually, it sounds like small monitors.
I'll give it a good run.
[ this review is about a fake ATH-MSR7 as it turned out so keep this in mind]
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Post by Rabbit on Sept 14, 2016 10:44:45 GMT
Aha...... Improves on Ifi Micro and turning volume down!!
Minimal reaction to Ifi bass boost, so it needs a lot down there to kick it into life....
Imaging seems good. Hearing some weird mixing decisions by Tom Dolby where he's fractionally moved the position of a synth three times, one after the other. Never noticed that before and I'm extremely familiar with his stuff.
[ this review is about a fake ATH-MSR7 as it turned out so keep this in mind]
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Post by Rabbit on Sept 14, 2016 15:08:01 GMT
[ this review is about a fake ATH-MSR7 as it turned out so keep this in mind]Weight 10.23 ozIn comparison to the Sony mdr1a, it is heavier. It feels more substantial as a result. The headband is ok, but the bottoms could be more padded. Not an issue with me, but might well be for bald people. I'm wondering whether the Beyer padding might fit. Additional Features L-shaped plug, memory foam cushions, swivel ear cups.The L shaped plugs are quite fat and hefty looking. Overly so really IMO. It juts out quite a long way from your player. The memory foam cushions are lovely. They really form snugly to your head. Especially given the calliper pressure. Some find the pressure a problem. It's ok for me because my ears are totally inside the cups. The earcups swivel flat. Actually, I think that it's a pity that the cups don't fold in. Not keen on flattened out headphones but they swivel so that the pads face inwards, so the pads rest on your neck if you take them off mobile. Some face outwards, which I don't like. These are fine. HEADPHONES Headphones Form Factor CircumauralJust about. Frequency Response 5 HzWell, if it goes that low, I wonder how quiet it is? So far, I've heard nothing profoundly low. In fact, it sounds to me as though the bass doesn't really go down there at all. Sensitivity 100 dB/mW They don't seem to be very sensitive and I prefer them amped. The X3 drives them fine, but I feel happier with lots of spare power TBH. They 'feel' a little insensitive. The top is supposed to be 40khz!! Real bat land. No recording goes up there. Impedance 35 OhmThey probably are, but not that sensitive. That plus the fact that they probably need some current means that an amp probably makes sense with them. Diaphragm 1.8 inSo where is the bass? Been listening most of the day. They still sound constrained. The sound seems squashed inside and concentrated!! Having said that, there is a lot of clarity in their sound. They sound very even with a small amount of bass. Funny thing is that the bass is there and very clear. It has absolutely no bloat. Kind of ordinary sounding. No sibilance but definitely focused on mids and top. You can hear strong snare sounds in the drums, but no bass impact to speak of. Yet the bass notes are there. On the one hand, I like the clarity, but also miss real bass clout. Maybe the m100 has infected me..... or that Vyrus with its big bass!! It's a nice headphone if you like a nice, tidy, and 'packaged' sound. It kind of sounds restrained and polite. Less bass than the Sony v6. Less edgy as well. It's a very different sounding headphone and really is like a small monitor speaker. It resolves a lot, but I wonder whether more can be heard because the bass is kept down in volume so much. It's there but it's like he's somewhere else!! There's no resonance either. Kind of dead chamber like, like everyone is playing outside. No wood cup type sound. Dead as a dodo. I'm not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, the clarity is superb, but is it music? I don't know whether any of you have seen say, Chinese or Japanese musicians playing western music. They play it with amazing technical skill, but very often show a basic non-understanding of the music. I kind of feel that this headphone is like that. Technically, very good, musically ......... Well, the notes are there....... I have sometimes found that Hifi type people do latch on to clarity and focus in headphones, but seem to have no understanding of the impact that the music is supposed to have. Maybe this is why so many Hifi people like the msr7 so much. Or, I'm going to have to discover 'burn in'. Speech is excellent on them though. Chinese edit ..... Just put on some Sa Dingding from China. Superb clarity and some bass weight!!! Are these tuned for Chinese music? Seriously good as well. The bass kicks just about right but the rest is crystal. Seems that they are very revealing of the source material. Better get on to some Yello quick. Still a bit analytical. Changed amp and it notices!!! I changed to a Fiio e12a and the bass has slightly more punch. Treble is less hard as well. By comparison, the IDSD sounds much more analytical and edgy!! That was a surprise to me. It's slightly easier going with a Fiio amp. To some extent, I've noticed the analytical nature of the IDSD before but never so clearly etched as it seems to be with the Msr7. I often use the Aune instead of the IDSD with some material because of this, but the Audio Technica verges on unpleasant with some material and is really good with other stuff from the IDSD. The Fiio is warmer, but this really helps the headphone. The bass boost also works with the Fiio where on the IDSD, you just don't notice that it's been switched in. I thought the headphone just wouldn't react to bass, but on the Fiio, it really does. With bass boost, the headphone leaps into life and actually verges on too much bass. So, at the moment, from the x5 and x3, I prefer the Fiio e12a to the IDSD. I must try the V6 with the IDSD to see if that's also a bit clinical. I wonder whether it's the amp that gives this impression? From the Fiio, it has warmed up and I feel much more relaxed with its sound. I have noticed this before as I said, but not to this extent. The IDSD isn't as good as I'd like with the msr7. Now I feel a bit silly, listening to a lesser amp, but seriously, it's better!! It's almost like the IDSD is a mismatch. More engaging just because it has warmed up. It makes the IDSD seem very clinical and cool. I have a feeling that my Aune amp will also work well with it and the Polaris. Both are lovely, warm sounding amps by comparison with the IDSD. I wonder why? Should have switched this morning!!! This could be the reason why reports on the msr7 are variable about the bass. I don't necessarily have 'more' bass from the Fiio, it just sounds more 'rounded' and comfortable to listen to. So if someone reviews on something similar to an IDSD, then they may well say something quite different to someone listening via another amp....... I much prefer it with a cheap little Fiio. What a surprise .... [ this review is about a fake ATH-MSR7 as it turned out so keep this in mind]
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Post by Rabbit on Sept 14, 2016 21:46:31 GMT
Going back to my regulars, I feel that these aren't for me. While they have a really clear presentation, they're just producing notes and not music. In particular, the bass just isn't prominent enough for me. For me, there's a harsh tinge in the treble which I also find difficult and everything seems too comtrolled and restrained.
Not to my taste at all in spite of trying very hard today!!
Nothing is missing in the sound and you can hear into mixes, but ultimately, the lack of bass makes them uninvolving for me and it's a relief to go back to something more 'normal' for me.
I'm going to hang on to them for a little while. Perhaps I haven't given them enough time, but normally, I get a pretty good 'feel' for headphones pretty fast and can adapt to most. I don't think I can adapt to these. Harsher than the AKG K551 and K553 for me.
Shame, because they have a terrific clarity and are nicely made. I can't adjust to the timbre though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 22:28:48 GMT
I was in a local shop today and by coincidence I saw these and tried them on. Very comfortable and the build quality was very Japanese, i.e. good. I didn't get to hear them though but they have piqued my interest.
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Post by Mr Trev on Sept 14, 2016 22:30:51 GMT
Going back to my regulars, I feel that these aren't for me. While they have a really clear presentation, they're just producing notes and not music. In particular, the bass just isn't prominent enough for me. For me, there's a harsh tinge in the treble which I also find difficult and everything seems too comtrolled and restrained. Not to my taste at all in spite of trying very hard today!! Nothing is missing in the sound and you can hear into mixes, but ultimately, the lack of bass makes them uninvolving for me and it's a relief to go back to something more 'normal' for me. I'm going to hang on to them for a little while. Perhaps I haven't given them enough time, but normally, I get a pretty good 'feel' for headphones pretty fast and can adapt to most. I don't think I can adapt to these. Harsher than the AKG K551 and K553 for me. Shame, because they have a terrific clarity and are nicely made. I can't adjust to the timbre though. Would it just be a matter of more power? I remember reading somewhere that AT headphones can be picky regarding amps
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Post by jello on Sept 14, 2016 22:42:46 GMT
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these Ian.
They do look nice but don't think they'd be my cuppa either. For me a decent amount of bass is essential in terms of making a headphone sound musical and if you go too far then there's a bit of an emotional disconnect. Last pair of AT's I heard was many years ago but remember the tuning being similar - very clear, detailed and articulate but there was just no chemistry.
May be that they tune for their domestic / asian market and musical genres whereas the likes of Sony probably cater more for western tastes. Perhaps when you feed them j-pop, traditional music etc. they come into their own?
Does the bass boost on the iFi help things at all or is the timbre still off?
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Post by Rabbit on Sept 15, 2016 5:15:37 GMT
Going back to my regulars, I feel that these aren't for me. While they have a really clear presentation, they're just producing notes and not music. In particular, the bass just isn't prominent enough for me. For me, there's a harsh tinge in the treble which I also find difficult and everything seems too comtrolled and restrained. Not to my taste at all in spite of trying very hard today!! Nothing is missing in the sound and you can hear into mixes, but ultimately, the lack of bass makes them uninvolving for me and it's a relief to go back to something more 'normal' for me. I'm going to hang on to them for a little while. Perhaps I haven't given them enough time, but normally, I get a pretty good 'feel' for headphones pretty fast and can adapt to most. I don't think I can adapt to these. Harsher than the AKG K551 and K553 for me. Shame, because they have a terrific clarity and are nicely made. I can't adjust to the timbre though. Would it just be a matter of more power? I remember reading somewhere that AT headphones can be picky regarding amps Yes, it does seem to notice the amp, very much so actually. The IDSD isn't great with it at all. It was thin and analytical. You are right..... It does seem to point out amp differences. The Fiio was a bit better in this respect. I prefer it at lower volumes. Mainly because of the top end being quite dominant. Bass drums don't seem to have a great deal of body. You get the attack, but no real thud. Then again, nothing is actually missing if you check with other headphones. It's almost a relief to go to something else!! They are a puzzling listen to me......
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Post by Rabbit on Sept 15, 2016 5:23:19 GMT
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these Ian. They do look nice but don't think they'd be my cuppa either. For me a decent amount of bass is essential in terms of making a headphone sound musical and if you go too far then there's a bit of an emotional disconnect. Last pair of AT's I heard was many years ago but remember the tuning being similar - very clear, detailed and articulate but there was just no chemistry. May be that they tune for their domestic / asian market and musical genres whereas the likes of Sony probably cater more for western tastes. Perhaps when you feed them j-pop, traditional music etc. they come into their own? Does the bass boost on the iFi help things at all or is the timbre still off? The Asian market thing did occur to me, Mark. That's why I tried some Chinese pop. The Ifi bass boost did barely anything, The Fiio boost was way better. With boost on, they're more 'normal' sounding. They just don't convey 'music' to me. The notes are carefully placed and etched out, but there seems to be no body of sound. I'll run them for as many hours as I can stand, but this is one of the few that I can't easily adjust to. Tyll putting it on the Wall of Fame is worrying...... Many might buy on that recommendation and feel like me. I'll have another go today and see if they loosen up a bit. It's almost like they're chained down!! I do wonder whether they are over damped because they almost sound as though the bass is shut inside the cups. Clarity and spacial clues are great. It just has a very different sound sig to what I'm used to and makes music seem more distant and so, less communicative. Very strong in the mids and TBH, I think it verges on harsh at high volume. Spoken word though is excellent. Very natural. I'll keep going just to see if they loosen up or my head actually adjusts. Normally, I can settle with a headphone extremely quickly, but I keep feeling that something is missing with these and have to fight the urge to change to something else!!! Perhaps I have a certain 'fixed' amount of bass programmed into my head and need to adjust more for these. On occasions, they sound fantastic and amazingly transparent and at other times, thin and disconnected.
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Post by Rabbit on Sept 15, 2016 8:40:27 GMT
[ this review is about a fake ATH-MSR7 as it turned out so keep this in mind]
BINGO. The amp is critical!!
This morning, I listened to speech direct from an IPod Touch. Excellent. No boom. No sibilance. IMO, spot on. My feelings were that this is an excellent headphone for speech.
On to the Aune, digitally fed. Not too bad. The Aune has a softer top edge than the IDSD which I like. One of my feelings about the IDSD is that it can sound clinical. My subjective feeling with the Aune was that the bass had increased, where in fact, I think it was just a tad shaved off that top edge. I could now turn it up without harshness which really helped bass to bloom and develop.
Polaris, even better. It sounds fuller. I was getting hiss so I swapped to low gain and it's gone. I had to use line out for this.
It seems that the Polaris helps the msr7 a lot. Especially at low gain so that noise isn't an issue.
Sound is still top led, but the bass has a little more presence but the top edge remains so that you get quite an amazing inner clarity.
It seems that the msr7 is very amp aware for some reason. The differences are small, but just a tad down on the top brings out the bass a fraction so that it sounds more balanced. Detail is much the same via them all, but it's getting the timbre in the right place that's really critical.
The basic AT sound never goes. It has an edge in the treble but these headphones are really detail magnets. With amps that don't quite match, the sound seems middly with a sharp top and thin bass. With a better match, the sound alters just slightly, which is enough to keep it sharp, but feel more balanced in the bass. I don't think I've come across this before.
It only takes a very small adjustment in the treble that changes your impression of the bass. At least that's what I think is going on. If the treble has a tiny bit shaved away, you feel that you can turn up more comfortably, so the bass blooms more. It's not fat by any means, but is the most clearly defined bass I've ever heard from a portable. You can track bass lines with ease and yet, it's not prominent.
The msr7 has a sound all of its own. It's difficult to adjust to and seems very amp dependent as well. With portable devices, low volume eliminates harshness but can kill the bass. Recording quality does seem to be highlighted. Some sound terrible. When you hit a good one, you know it. Unfortunately, it's the minority of recordings!!!! It's almost like a kameleon in the way that it seems to alter with different sources. (Not the Kameleon filter!!) It seems to have a dry acoustic/sound. Like listening to the same music that you've heard on other headphones, but in a totally different room. Almost like a dead, sound treated room type of sound.
IDSD really isn't great with it. Thin and harsh. Fiio is OK. Good for portable at least. Aune is nice. A tad of warmth creeps in. Polaris seems to add kick and it jumps to life. (Low gain though)
To some extent, I've noticed this before but not to this degree. The msr7 is kind of 'on the edge' of being brilliant or totally crap and the difference is tiny!!!
I'd love to know what each amp might be doing differently to create these perceived differences, but it has shown me that a tiny adjustment can mean an awful lot with the overall perceived sound. Doesn't take much of a treble adjustment in order to bring out the bass in fact.
I might give the Ember a go, but I know that noise will be an issue.
One of the most odd headphones I've ever tried.
I've not said much about the cables. What I don't understand is why you get average cables with a premium type headphone. Nothing special, with big fat right angles on one end. If you stand on the right angled plugs, I reckon they'll split in two because the two halves are glued together which seems cheap to me. A bit springy.
I've been using just a cable which is fine. There is another with a phone answering button. No volume up and down and not compatible with Apple products. I found that a bit odd. The long one has rubber mounded jacks. Still quite cheap, but the cable itself is the same material as the short ones. A bit strange in a long cable. Would have been nice to have had an iPod controlling cable in there.
[ this review is about a fake ATH-MSR7 as it turned out so keep this in mind]
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Post by Rabbit on Sept 16, 2016 19:25:19 GMT
My mate said I could keep it!! So I now own an msr7.
I've been listening only on the msr7 since it arrived and my opinions have slightly altered and I have a little admiration for it, with some reservations.
It's been left playing day and night just in case anything changed. I'm assuming my ears have adjusted because I no longer hear it as top focused as I first felt. The mids in particular are right out there and voices are superb. It's not as sibilant as the v6 and has a lot more in the middle. The v6 sounds terrible by comparison. Uneven and shrill.
The msr7 picks out poor recording quality ruthlessly and to some extent, I've been suffering with that. I listened to a folk podcast that had a track that was so rough, that I thought I'd buggered the drivers. Next track .... Clear as a bell. I replayed it on the mdr1a and the rough edge really didn't show anything like.
They are detail maniacs.
In fact, I'm actually enjoying it's analytical nature and hearing a lot more into the music rather than superficially hearing a strong thud in the bass and being dragged along by the bass. You are way more aware of phrasing of individuals rather than an overall impression, You can really focus on what performers are doing.
My reservations are still the bass. The quality of the bass is really good, but it's down in the mix. It integrates much more with the rest and is no longer in my face. Mids are superb. Presence is amazing and the top s placed pretty well. Cymbals sound pretty good.
The hardness that I felt at first doesn't seem as bad now. Maybe I have adjusted.
Volume is very important and influences how you hear them massively. Too loud and they shriek. Too soft and they're thin and distant. It's getting the presence right that seems very important and everything kind of clicks into place as long as the recording is ok.
Here's the bad part .... After extended listening on the msr7 -. I found the M50 too bloated. The Sony mdr1a just dreadfully bloated. The m-100, curiously had way too much bass but seemed clearer than the Sony.
ie; the Audio Technica has put me off many other headphones that I considered fine!!
The K712 sounds great but it also sounds a bit fat in the bass now. The K553 sounds warm!!!!!!
It has altered my reference point over three days.
I have no idea what's going on .... Whether they've changed or I've adjusted or a combo of both. They are the most transparent portable I've heard as long as you can take its tonality which I found particularly glassy at first. Now it seems more normal so that my other headphones basically sound a bit crappy!!
I like the sound. Would like a tad more quantity in the bass but that's about it. I don't know if I'd recommend people to get them though because they are kind of an acquired taste, I think. I went from disbelief at how harsh they were to how balanced they are and how bloated everything else is. I have nothing else that's close except the k553, which I've always liked a lot. That sounds kind of similar but is warmer in the bass.
What a journey I've had with these!!! If I'm honest, it's been quite a learning curve in respect of tonal balance in headphones since these are not typical of what I would normally listen to and yet, they are the most revealing portable I've ever heard I think.
[ this review is about a fake ATH-MSR7 as it turned out so keep this in mind]
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Post by Mr Trev on Sept 16, 2016 21:28:00 GMT
OK. So a few posts back you mentioned you had an A900, any speculation on how they'd compare with the msr? They can both be had for roughly the same price here in Canada - provided you can still find a pair, being replaced and all (the 990z are a fair bit more expensive). Looks to me that the MSR would be the more comfy of the two - Seems my head/ears aren't shaped to best handle round earcups (and those "wings" still remind me too much of electro-shock paddles). Most of my gear is on the warmer side so I think the MSR should be happy. I'd like a bit more in the way of bass extension/quantity (this is where the hp150s were solid), but I'd much rather err on the side of not enough than too much
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Post by solderdude on Sept 16, 2016 21:37:07 GMT
My mate said I could keep it!! So I now own an msr7. I've been listening only on the msr7 since it arrived and my opinions have slightly altered and I have a little admiration for it, with some reservations. It's been left playing day and night just in case anything changed. I'm assuming my ears have adjusted because I no longer hear it as top focused as I first felt. The mids in particular are right out there and voices are superb. It's not as sibilant as the v6 and has a lot more in the middle. The v6 sounds terrible by comparison. Uneven and shrill. The msr7 picks out poor recording quality ruthlessly and to some extent, I've been suffering with that. I listened to a folk podcast that had a track that was so rough, that I thought I'd buffered the drivers. Next track .... Clear as a bell. I replayed it on the mdr1a and the rough edge really didn't show anything like. They are detail maniacs. In fact, I'm actually enjoying it's analytical nature and hearing a lot more into the music rather than superficially hearing a strong thud in the bass and being dragged along by the bass. You are way more aware of phrasing of individuals rather than an overall impression, You can really focus on what performers are doing. My reservations are still the bass. The quality of the bass is really good, but it's down in the mix. It integrates much more with the rest and is no longer in my face. Mids are superb. Presence is amazing and the top s placed pretty well. Cymbals sound pretty good. The hardness that I felt at first doesn't seem as bad now. Maybe I have adjusted. Volume is very important and influences how you hear them massively. Too loud and they shriek. Too soft and they're thin and distant. It's getting the presence right that seems very important and everything kind of clicks into place as long as the recording is ok. Here's the bad part .... After extended listening on the msr7 -. I found the M50 too bloated. The Sony mdr1a just dreadfully bloated. The m-100, curiously had way too much bass but seemed clearer than the Sony. ie; the Audio Technica has put me off many other headphones that I considered fine!! The K712 sounds great but it also sounds a bit fat in the bass now. The K553 sounds warm!!!!!! It has altered where my reference point is over three days. I have no idea what's going on .... Whether they've changed or I've adjusted or a combo of both. They are the most transparent portable I've heard as long as you can take its tonality which I found particularly glassy at first. Now it seems more normal so that my other headphones basically sound a bit crappy!! I like the sound. Would like a tad more quantity in the bass but that's about it. I don't know if I'd recommend people to get them though because they are kind of an acquired taste, I think. I went from disbelief at how harsh they were to how balanced they are and how bloated everything else is. I have nothing else that's close except the k553, which I've always liked a lot. That sounds kind of similar but is warmer in the bass. What a journey I've had with these!!! If I'm honest, it's been quite a learning curve in respect of tonal balance in headphones since these are not typical of what I would normally listen to and yet, they are the most revealing portable I've ever heard I think. I often fall for the compare this to that headphone thing. Sometimes logical if someone has a headphone and wants to know how it compares. When comparing 2 different sounding headphones one always considers one the reference. Best thing to do is to reset your reference by using a known reference. Think HD650 on Kameleon and listen to that for a while. Then take the other headphone and the flaws and strenghts are easier to detect.
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Post by Rabbit on Sept 17, 2016 6:47:29 GMT
I think you're right Frans. I couldn't resist trying other 'known' headphones alongside it and the differences are startling. The mdr1a seemed muffled and bloated by comparison. Terribly so. I did compare the a900 as well Mr Trev. Even that didn't sound great. Clarity was better but not as good as the MSR7 and it's warmer but at the same time sounded a bit 'coloured'. The K712 and the K553 sound OK by comparison. The K712 is very warm and k553 slightly less warm. Its almost like being in a freezer, so that any hint of warmth in the air seems so strong!! Bass quantity and depth remains the one thing that I feel could have been better though. So funny how you adjust over a few days. Two days ago, I'd have given these away. Now, I like their clarity a lot. BTW - the Korean Golden Ears graph that Frans posted is more how I think that I hear them rather than Tyll's graph. Tyll's shows a big 10khz peak where the GE shows a smaller peak. I hear them as pretty flat but very much rolled away bass as the GE site plainly shows. GE shows a 2db rise in upper bass which I don't really hear. You'd think that it would produce a hint of warmth - not a bit. If anything, I might have preferred a 5db lift in that case!! Unless the difference they show between the left and right means that I have two right speakers so the bass is flatter. The left speaker is the one with the Jack input .... Is that forming an extra bass vent? ko.goldenears.net/board/index.php?mid=GR_Headphones&document_srl=5398387TBH, I think AT have done a great job with these and my problems are a 'taste' thing with regards to bass quantity. The bass that you get is good and well defined; I'd just like a bit more of it.
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Post by solderdude on Sept 17, 2016 22:15:01 GMT
I have analysed a lot of Tyll's plots and in almost all of them (also the ones I know do not have a 10kHz peak) you can find 10kHz peaks. Must be something in the HATS that isn't compensated at all. In my opinion a HATS isn't really suited for measuring headphones, simply because the fake pinna and ear canal need to be compensated afterwards for the substantial differences these create. When not done properly (Tylls measurements) then you end up with plots showing things that aren't there or not showing things that are present. Not saying that flatbed measurement rigs are flawless, they are not. But at least one does not have to undo changes made that are not needed in the first place.
I would probably like the MRS-7 on a Kameleon that boosts the sub bass, fills in the dip (better clarity/realism) and extends the upper treble.
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