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Post by ronzo56 on Apr 3, 2015 10:59:21 GMT
Well, it could be those experts Frans, but I am persistent. I know some are coming around and giving it a good listen. Expectation bias is tough to overcome. Always trust my ears. When I was new to this many years ago, I ended up buying gear based on others opinions and regretted it later. The K701 was my last mistake.
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Post by Javier on Apr 3, 2015 11:08:37 GMT
I wonder why he used the DSDIFF plugin for Foobar which is almost 4 years old and few people (if any) use anymore. SACD_plugin took over a long time ago and is technically better (it is based on Philips ProTech Encoder) and more configurable. HQPlayer has many measurements comparing PCM and DSD on both the 501 and the iFi micro at computeraudiophile.com also showing the differences between oversampling/converting to different PCM and DSD rates. I think a suspicions confirmation DSD test is long overdue at Mr. Solderdude's....
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Post by Rabbit on Apr 3, 2015 11:10:12 GMT
Really? Deaf experts as well? Funny you say that Frans, I had a similar discussion with a smart alec who quoted all kinds of things at me without ever hearing the gear, telling me how the gear would do whatever to the sound. I used to get better sound at work with all the cheap cabling, amps, processors and that nasty thing called 'EQ' in the way. The masters were made through these nasty wires. A healthy mix of theory and practise is the cheapest way to good sound for less money. Mind you ...... I'm one to talk!!!
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Post by Rabbit on Apr 3, 2015 11:20:21 GMT
I think a suspicions confirmation DSD test is long overdue at Mr. Solderdude's I don't think it's as simple as fr. The first thing I noticed wasn't the 'sound' as in timbre but the space around the sound. Perhaps these experts have duff headphones or they're just not used to listening to 'spacial clues'? The example I heard sounded less fatiguing and more 'spaced out'. Perhaps the effects of compression strip out a lot of those 'spacial' clues rather than do the fr in. To me, most MP3 sounds correct tonally. Well, ok. If you compare with DSD as I am now, the basic sound is much the same but the spread of sound is wider and more accurately placed imo. In fact, more like an end product before being put onto CD, which also (imo) does something to what I would hear originally. Had this problem for years, but I'd be tempted nowadays to release DSD so that quality is retained. I've never heard DSD before so there is bound to be expectation bias, but to me, it is seemingly more natural and open. Staging appears on the Fostex extremely well, although I still hear it backwards. Sounds go back into my head rather than forward, but there is definitely a strong sense of depth.
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Post by ronzo56 on Apr 3, 2015 11:20:33 GMT
Exactly Ian. I saw a comment yesterday where the person was saying how bad a certain amp was, he never had heard it. Same thing for a DAC he had never heard. He just knew because of the design or the type of chip used etc.
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Post by solderdude on Apr 3, 2015 11:36:14 GMT
I wonder why he used the DSDIFF plugin for Foobar which is almost 4 years old and few people (if any) use anymore. SACD_plugin took over a long time ago and is technically better (it is based on Philips ProTech Encoder) and more configurable. I asked Archimago about the SACD plug-in question...
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Post by chinook9 on Apr 3, 2015 13:54:26 GMT
On most of the DSD settings I'm getting "crackling" that varies with the sound. On quieter passages the crackling goes away and gets worse on the louder passages. I am using a 1GHz quad-core ultrabook which is not very powerful and I expect the processor is not up to snuff. Does this sound reasonable?
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Post by Javier on Apr 3, 2015 14:23:15 GMT
What playerr are you using? HQPlayer?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 14:27:49 GMT
Windows does not do audio well. Never has & likely never will. Legacy compatibility is a bitch.
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Post by Rabbit on Apr 3, 2015 15:31:10 GMT
My laptop sending DSD to the Micro is pretty impressive Gordon. I must admit, my first contact with DSD has been extremely pleasant to say the least. Massive file sizes and a bit of setting up on Foobar, but quality of sound and imaging is superb.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 15:38:03 GMT
Yeah, I'm sure it is. But there's no way it should take quite so much processing power to render audio, hi-res or not. A Mac deals with it far better.
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Post by Rabbit on Apr 3, 2015 15:49:47 GMT
Macs are used a lot in digital studios. Especially Logic Pro X. They're pretty too!!
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Post by chinook9 on Apr 3, 2015 16:06:58 GMT
What playerr are you using? HQPlayer? Yes Javier.
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Post by Javier on Apr 3, 2015 16:23:41 GMT
Windows doesn't take much power ro process audio, PCM or DSD. It will if you do certai things like using HQPlayer for upsampling to extreme formats but then the OSX will use identical power. Each OS has advantages and disadvantages, for example OSX comes with native USB audio 2 drivers whereas Windows needs 3rd party drivers but OSX can't do native DSD no mater what whereas Windows can use ASIO to play it. I'd say Linux is better than either in this regard but is not an OS for beginners in many other ways.
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Post by Javier on Apr 3, 2015 16:32:59 GMT
What playerr are you using? HQPlayer? Yes Javier. I would need to know your settings: - Have you selected "DoP" in "SDM Pack"? for your DIYINHK this should be selected, for other adapters like Amanero it should be "none" - Have you "AltDSD" checked? should be uncheked - And "Pipeline DSD"? only to be checked with some PCs, notable multi core but slow CPUs. - What are you using for "Oversampling", "Modulator" and "Bit rate (/Limit)" on the main window? If going too far with the upsampling it may run out of processor. I suggest trying "-2S" filters to see if it helps - What are your selections under "DSDDIFF/DSDF settings"? If you have "DirectSDM" checked it won't process DSD, only PCM
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