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Post by solderdude on Nov 6, 2013 18:25:25 GMT
There is an updated manual. I only added some more headphones (AKG K267/K551, KEF M500, Sennheiser Momentum, Shure SRH-1840, Sony MDR-1R NC (with Noise Cancelling 'on') The complete list with headphone corrections: AKG K267 AKG K501 AKG K551 AKG K601 AKG K701 / K702 / Q701 Audeze LCD2 / LCD2-rev2 / LCD3 / LCD-X Audio-Technica M50 (old & 2012 version) Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro Beyerdynamic DT880 (32 & 250 Ohm) Beyerdynamic DT880 (600 Ohm) Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro Beyerdynamic DT1350 with stock pads (doubling as headphone amplifier) Beyerdynamic DT1350 with HD25 pads (doubling as headphone amplifier) Beyerdynamic T1 Beyerdynamic T5P Beyerdynamic T70 / T70P Beyerdynamic T90 Denon D2000 / D5000 / D7000 Fostex T20RP-mkII / T40RP-mkII / T50RP with Shure SRH940 pads and modifications Fostex T50RP with Shure SRH940 pads and modifications & Mad Dog (alternative filter) Fostex T20RP-mkII / T40RP-mkII / T50RP with Beyerdynamic DT770 pads and modifications Fostex T50RP modified by Paradox Audio – Paradox Grado PS1000 HiFiMan HE5 / HE6 / HE-500 KEF M500 Sennheiser HD558 / HD598 Sennheiser HD580 / HD600 Sennheiser HD650 Sennheiser HD800 Sennheiser Momentum (ONLY over-ear version) Shure SRH-840 Shure SRH-940 Shure SRH-1840 Sony MDR-1R NC (with Noise Cancelling 'on')
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 19:11:17 GMT
damn i have just had to cancel my order for the Abyss 1266, 'cos it aint on ya list!
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Post by solderdude on Nov 7, 2013 14:24:40 GMT
that can (and will) be corrected.
The Abyss AB1266 will be added.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 20:38:56 GMT
that can (and will) be corrected. The Abyss AB1266 will be added. at least give me 3 years to save up
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Post by micmacmo on Nov 10, 2013 18:39:44 GMT
I got the K701 version of the filter up and running. So far, so excellent. The filter overcomes some of the key failings I found with the K701. The bass is now deep and extended. I wouldn't say it's punchy or that it has slam, but it's clear and textured. And at the other end of the spectrum, the shrillness I used to hear with some horn and string passages is gone. (This latter problem is the reason I haven't listened to these headphones much lately.)
Overall, the K701 is much more enjoyable. I'll be listening to them more and, if I hear anything else worth commenting on, will report back here.
A couple of questions about the build. I used a DPDT switch so I could A/B the filter. I found that when I engage the filter circuit, the volume increases dramatically (and not just certain frequencies). Bypassing the circuit dramatically lowers the volume. Is this expected?
I found that turning the pots clockwise increases the filter activity i.e., more clockwise = less apparent 7 kH peak. Is this the expected behaviour? (I'd expected the reverse.)
I have a finicky connection on the left channel that isn't generally a problem, unless I open and close the enclosure. Then some judicious jiggling of the input cable clears up the problem.
Very nice work, Frans. Thank you.
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Post by solderdude on Nov 10, 2013 19:44:11 GMT
The filter should have about '0' dB gain so bypassing it should only lower the bass and increase the treble. It is possible the bypass switch is not connected properly in that case weird things can happen.
Can you e-mail me pictures of the build ?
Turning the potmeter to the left should decrease the highs turning it clockwise should increase the highs (unless you have the old board where the potmeters work in the opposite way.
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Post by micmacmo on Nov 12, 2013 16:27:39 GMT
Frans set me straight (I got clever and incorrectly wired the RCA jacks). When toggling between the filter circuit and bypass, there's now no change in volume.
However, turning the pot right (clockwise) definitely reduces the 7k peak. Turning it CCW increases the volume of the peak. (I tested this both by adjusting the pot as a ran a 7k tone through my system and by toggling between bypass and circuit when playing a 7k tone with the pot set to about 90% CW.)
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Post by solderdude on Nov 12, 2013 19:58:07 GMT
Can you tell me which small 10k potmeter you used (order number ?)
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Post by micmacmo on Nov 12, 2013 21:15:43 GMT
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Post by solderdude on Nov 12, 2013 22:19:16 GMT
Ahh I see.
I have this in my component list as well. Unfortunately the R version is the 'Reverse' version.
I have always used the 'P' version myself and if that one were used CCW would decrease the level and CW would increase the level. The R version works the other way around and should be used on the older PCB.
It does not matter for the operational/technical side though and will make note of this in the article. Never even realised that the R version works the other way around, thought only the pinning was different.
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Post by micmacmo on Nov 12, 2013 23:53:47 GMT
Thanks, Frans. That's good to know. FYI the manual is just about right, i.e., a setting of about 10-20% from full CW with these pots sounds pretty good to my ears (using log sweeps and some initial music listening). One observation: the shimmer and clarity that people hear with cymbals on the K701 is probably a consequence of the 7 kHz peak. Remove the peak and the shimmer ebbs. Fair trade off in my mind.
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Post by solderdude on Nov 13, 2013 17:59:06 GMT
Yes indeed the 'detailed-ness' of the K701 are largely artificial by a raised FR area. This is the case with many 'detailed' headphones.
It's also what becomes annoying after a while or with some music.
When the peaks are removed and you still hear details but not 'exaggerated' the headphone itself is good. With some headphones that have the peak removed the become dull and lifeless.
I do not expect this to be the case with the K701. Owned one for quite a while but in the end, the lack of 'bass extension' (bass is really there but not in a big way) and the slight peak in the highs made me decide to sell them.
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Post by micmacmo on Nov 20, 2013 22:11:30 GMT
I put together the page 35 version of the T50RP filter and have been listening to it for several days. I have to say that, while the K701 filter tweaked the sound, this filter alters the sound more dramatically.
The treble from the stock build was too hot, resulting in a corresponding loss of apparent bottom end. I swapped the R103/R203 5.6 KOhm resistors for 8.2 KOhm resistors and the R106/R206 220 ohm resistors for 270 ohm resistors. The results are much more pleasing (but still may be a tad too bright for my taste). The sound is much more defined/detailed and even airy compared to the unfiltered sound. Dare I say that, in comparison, the unfiltered sound is somewhat dull?
I've been using two modded T50RP headphones, one with BMF's DBV#3 mod and the other with BMF's rock wool mod. I've used both an ODAC/O2 combo and a CDAC+/PSII combo (the CDAC+ is a nice variant of the O2).
EDIT: Just so that no one thinks that I'm damning with faint praise here, I should mention that I won't be going back to unfiltered sound anytime soon. I might be adjusting the sound, but it's already much better than what I was hearing unfiltered.
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Post by solderdude on Nov 21, 2013 12:51:08 GMT
Thanks for the feedback ! I will make the changes in the next filter manual (need to add the AB1266 ) and remove the R-type pot from aal the BOM lists. When increasing the highs the lows indeed become relatively lower. The differences for T50RP (and derivatives) is much bigger than those of headphones that only need a slight nudge. Fortunately the T50RP reacts very well to 'corrective measures' and becomes a completely different headphone. You can get reasonably close by using digital EQ, but some EQ programs/apps/DSP affect the sound in a negative way as well where as with analog only some noise is added and distortion does not increase that much.
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Post by micmacmo on Nov 21, 2013 22:18:13 GMT
Frans, I tried 330 ohm resistors in the RX06 holes and think I prefer them. One particular singer, Patty Griffin, has a reedy, occasionally nasal soprano (that lovely high-lonesome sound) that didn't have much weight/presence with the 220 ohm or 270 ohm resistors. But that seems to improve with the 330 ohms installed.
And I agree that the T50RP react very well to correction. I didn't realize that there was much more that could be squeezed out of them.
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