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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 14:59:41 GMT
I found this video in a thread in the other place. It's actually kinda old but it's the first I've heard of it. It actually seems to work too..
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Post by solderdude on Jun 19, 2015 16:15:25 GMT
It is somewhat similar to binaural. The recording technique is actually the same. Where this differs is that binaural ONLY sounds 3D (it doesn't to me) on a headphone and sounds ... well .. poor on speakers. This guy does something with the left and right signals so speakers can also create a 3D image.
Never seen any recordings in this 'format' though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 18:51:45 GMT
Binaural doesn't work for me either.
This works though, at least the short samples we hear anyway.
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Post by ronzo56 on Jun 19, 2015 21:22:54 GMT
Binaural is recording dependent for me. I hear the effect on some, and not on others. May have something to do with the dummy head used, as I have large melon on my shoulders. Not a big fan. Says something when the best effect is someone sitting in a barbers chair getting a haircut. That track almost moves me to tears.
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Post by solderdude on Jun 20, 2015 6:11:34 GMT
That's what I kind of feel with the demo. The fly around the head is frighteningly real on speakers. You can also easily tell where the people are. The music intro/outtro also seems to be made using this technique.
This must be known quite some time already and the effect is substantial. I wonder how a big orchestra would sound and am surprised there are no recordings anywhere. The guy himself is a recording amateur so one would say he would have some of his recordings available for demo.
It will be very difficult to record bands as most recordings are not made in one 'go' and the room will also have lots of influence. I have never been really impressed with the tonal balance/echo of dummy head/Jecklin disc recordings except indeed that barber shop thing and maybe one or more recordings. I do know one (Dutch) band who made their own recordings in one go in a gymnastics hall (they liked the reverb there) but used close-by micing and mixing consoles. I highly doubt a Jecklin disc/dummy head recording would sound decent.
And then there is noise.... these type of recordings often have high amounts of noise due to the mic being at a large distance. The further from the source the lower the SPL at the mic and the worse the noise.
In those demos (barbershop, fly) there is only 1 thing you can focus on and wonder if it really only works well for those kind of things.
There is something called 'out of your head' a program that is supposed to get the sound more around you instead of in your head. It can be demoed (by downloading examples) and indeed (due to in phase signals being turned in phase) it isn't as located inside your head. However, from all the different songs I found it to 'improve' the sound only on some passages in one song. For the rest of the songs I thought it sounded weird, distorted and not 'better' in any case.
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Post by Rabbit on Jun 20, 2015 7:32:27 GMT
The haircutting type experiments worked really well for me.
Orchestral recordings don't though. It may be more to do with where they place the head, but tbh, I don't really care for them.
I remember a Sting album .... I think that it was Soul Cages. I'd just bought a new and expensive Koetsu cartridge and stuck that on for a listen. On one of the songs, there is a guitar playing a repeating pattern and for some peculiar reason, it seemed to come from further out than the speaker on one side. I never forgot the experience since being daft, I thought it must have been the imaging from the cartridge, but it did the same on other cartridges. It may have been something to do with phasing, but it was startling.
Sound fine on headphones as well.
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Post by sekar on Jun 22, 2015 22:27:19 GMT
Ian, listening of some nice recorded 2D classical music gives you feeling of immersing into real 3D stage. It was recording of Anna Caterina Antonacci's "Era la notte" where she was crossing soundstage comes back and forth climbing up on small ladder during her singing and in some place approaching to you ( i mean mike ) and make bow to your direction .... like she tried to cast her eye on you ... a bit frightening . I agree with you that it may be more essential for recording of small(er) groups. Usually after that experience it's impossible to get back to "usual" recordings made in studios with "flat" sound. May be it's only my perception of music.
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