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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 6:39:11 GMT
Yeah Frans, that's what it does. There's good logic there but unfortunately the walk-through is as clear as mud
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 17:19:23 GMT
I've been using these settings for the last two weeks and every now & again I'll switch them out to bit-perfect and I've no idea how I tolerated the raw 650 sound for as long as I did. There's far more clarity when the cans are EQ'ed. Going back just introduces mud, imo.
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Post by ronzo56 on Oct 4, 2015 1:02:04 GMT
I just started to fool around with Easy Q in Foobar to see if I can make my LCD-2 rev 2 less veiled. It would seem it takes very little to make a large change in the sound for this can. At some point will try the filter for it. But for the time being this is what I am trying. Gordon, any helpful hints? My main problem is getting the curve to look and sound what I want. I can't even copy other people's curves. Of course using it on a laptop without a mouse is probably a dumb way to start. Frans. What is it about the LCD 2 rev2 FR that makes it so good, and yet leaves you wanting?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 7:09:39 GMT
I must confess to never actually having used Easy-Q before. It's a Windows program & I'm on OS X so likely never will either. There's information out there though.. I found the above pic in this thread.. Easy-Q CurvesI can't help you with inputting the settings though as I don't know how the program actually works. Whether you can build the 'filter' step-by-step or not I have no idea. Sorry.
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Post by solderdude on Oct 4, 2015 7:38:40 GMT
I just started to fool around with Easy Q in Foobar to see if I can make my LCD-2 rev 2 less veiled. It would seem it takes very little to make a large change in the sound for this can. At some point will try the filter for it. But for the time being this is what I am trying. Gordon, any helpful hints? My main problem is getting the curve to look and sound what I want. I can't even copy other people's curves. Of course using it on a laptop without a mouse is probably a dumb way to start. Frans. What is it about the LCD 2 rev2 FR that makes it so good, and yet leaves you wanting? The scales are very 'sensitive' First horizontal line is already +6dB From 1kHz to around 5kHz you need a gentle rising slope to +5dB around 5kHz and then run it flat to 20kHz. Then add centered around 8kHz a small bandfilter that creates a 'dip' of around 4dB (so the dip should still see a 'lift' of +1dB) and that should get you near 'flat' sound. The 'leaves you wanting part' could be caused by either taste (the LCD2 is suddenly having great clarity and is not 'laid back' any more. Most people buy the LCD2 just to because of this. Another thing is that there is quite some spread in LCD2's where it concerns the small 'peak' that needs to be filtered. This peak can be anywhere between 5kHz and 10kHz. If the right frequency is not filtered it might sound a little off in certain parts of the treble.... Every LCD2 comes with its own graph so you can see where the 'peak' is. Most LCD2's which need about +10dB boost in the treble area to get it really flat. To people like me I would aim for about +8dB boost (instead tof the mentioned +5dB) but recommend to start with +5dB. This will still leave the LCD'2 sound as it is but improve the clarity. To reach filtered HD650 clarity about +8dB will probably do it.
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Post by ronzo56 on Oct 5, 2015 17:30:24 GMT
Thanks Frans. I will attempt to give it my best try. May need to dig out my mouse for the laptop. Hard to adjust settings without it.
Could you clarify about the "dip" . I am visualizing it as a 4 dB valley below the 0 dB line.
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Post by solderdude on Oct 5, 2015 21:18:26 GMT
When the part above 5kHz is lifted (anywhere between +5dB and +8dB) the dip is a small band that must drop about -4dB from that elevated line. So when you have +5dB as a treble lift the dip needs to stop around +1dB When the lift is around +8dB the bottom of the dip filter must be around +4dB.
The frequency of that dip depends on the headphone and could be between 5kHz and 10kHz. Mostly it shows between 7khz and 10kHz centerfrequency though.
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Post by ronzo56 on Oct 8, 2015 20:48:17 GMT
Thanks. Got it. I'll see if I can locate the FR graph that came with the phones. And give this a try.
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 28, 2016 17:05:31 GMT
I've been having a play around with eq using my Fiio units today on a few portable headphones and found that it does seem to help with headphone weaknesses significantly, even though it's no way near as accurate as a Kameleon.
I've been looking at Frequency Response graphs from Goldenears and looking at the 'overall pattern' that each graph shows and writing down how much adjustment is needed in 'wide' areas. That is, areas that show quite a wide deviation from flat.
Then using the limited eq adjustments on the Fiios, I've estimated an amount that is close to the centre of the frequency that I saw as deficient. Depending on how far away, I just adjusted for less db.
I then adjusted for 'taste' according to what I was listening to.
I do wish the Fiio eq went down to 20 though. It's limited to 60.
Results are really good. Room for further little tweaks, but it does give an extra clarity for sure. I'm also wanting to reduce playback volume since presence in most cases is better and the headphones focus lower once adjusted.
So for..
Px100 - it's less bloated although I made less adjustment in the treble due to my pads. Momentum 2 has become extremely lively with a spit in the bass like a full blown headphone and much less fog in the top. Different headphone as far as sound goes. Portapro has calmed in the bass and treble. I'll do the same with DT990 and 770 tonight. Creative Aurvana Live doesn't need quite as much and diffrences are quite small at the moment.
Point is that even estimations based on what you see do seem to 'improve' the clarity of what you get quite a lot.
Once adjusted, I switched between normal and eq'd and preferred eq'd every time.
I think the main thing is underestimate rather than over, and your feelings about your headphones completely change.
It wouldbe nice to have a place with recommended suggestions as a starting point for each headphone. Trouble is, there's no one 'correct' serting because it's a bit rough and ready, but I am definitely getting quite large improvements. The Momentum in particular is startingly better. The changes are quite dramatic, so that it sounds almost open.
A database of starting points could be useful and alleviates having to keep going back to Goldenears, searching a sussing out the graph.
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Post by oldson on Jan 28, 2016 21:39:43 GMT
"My Sennator isn't working correctly, but after hearing it, I have found the hd650 lacking if I'm honest, which is why I've moved to other headphones until a filter is ready for the Polaris, when I may well return to the fold." i thought you already had a filter for the 650 , Ian?
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 28, 2016 21:59:19 GMT
I had it for a short while from Frans when I tried different filters and later, another one which infortunately didn't work for too long before it died on me. I was hoping the unit for the Polaris might have appeared by now but we have to wait.
Eventually, I'll get one that works. Ron had one at the same time as me and his is fine. Mine goes for a short period and then goes dead, so I decided to wait for another unit.
So I rarely use the 650 at the moment. Mostly th900 or dt990.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 0:34:09 GMT
I found this interesting article about the Sonarworks Reference 3 plug-in. Although it's more concerned with the mixing it does explain some of the feature contained within the plug-in. It doesn't explain what the Dry/Wet knob does though SoundOnSound
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Post by Rabbit on Feb 25, 2016 6:40:28 GMT
'Dry' means without effects processing and 'wet' means with. It allows you to compare by switching between them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 7:57:01 GMT
'Dry' means without effects processing and 'wet' means with. It allows you to compare by switching between them. Jings, you're up early. Thanks mate, I did not know that.
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Post by Rabbit on Feb 25, 2016 8:04:21 GMT
Wife's up for work so me too!! (Now)
Normally, there's a 'switch' in order to do an immediate comparison, so I'm huessing that Sonarworks must allow you to very quickly switch the eq out in order to compare the natural headphone sound with the eq'd sound.
Somethimes, people (like me) might prefer a flat eq and then decide to up the bass a few db. Like a 'custom' eq away from flat. Others with hearing damage might well raise the top end to compensate for their hearing.
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