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Post by oldson on Apr 5, 2016 14:48:06 GMT
once i get my repaired dac back i will take the plunge and try jriver.
does everyone agree with techboy that it is less complicated to use and therefore could give a pc dummy (me) less aggro?
EDIT : then again, i just read the thread on their customer care.
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Post by techboy on Apr 5, 2016 17:47:14 GMT
It is way easier. Way way easier. Trust me.
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Post by oldson on May 6, 2016 18:14:49 GMT
ok, just got sw working on jriver. you were right, Techboy, it was way easier to install and get working.
only been trying it with my hd650, but not convinced that it improves anything. it reduces the volume of playback, which i understand is expected. but when i adjust the volume back up to compensate i am not convinced it sounds any different. it is early days , so will give it time.
one question, what is the big blue "calibrate" button for? makes no sonic difference whether on or off! the way i have been toggling on and off is by using the tick box for the plug-in within jriver's dsp studio.
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Post by oldson on May 6, 2016 19:33:32 GMT
ok, i concede . it does sound clearer and more evenly balanced across the fr.
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Post by techboy on May 11, 2016 16:26:21 GMT
If you press Calibrate. SW is shut off. If you press it again, SW is switched on.
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Post by chinook9 on May 11, 2016 21:45:10 GMT
In JRiver is it possible to use the SW plugin in combination with upsampling (i.e. 24/192)?
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Post by oldson on May 12, 2016 20:32:35 GMT
If you press Calibrate. SW is shut off. If you press it again, SW is switched on. something must not be working then, cos i hear no difference when doing that.
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Post by techboy on May 13, 2016 10:36:54 GMT
You won't hear an immediate difference. It is audible once you listen to each one for at least 5-15 mins at a time. Not instantly. It takes time to adapt.
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Post by techboy on May 13, 2016 10:37:29 GMT
If you press Calibrate. SW is shut off. If you press it again, SW is switched on. something must not be working then, cos i hear no difference when doing that. Not sure. But I see no reason why it shouldn't work.
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Post by oldson on May 14, 2016 20:33:06 GMT
using sw i hear no difference with either lcd2 or hd650 when toggling the calibrate button.
when using my hardware lcd2 filter the difference is huge.
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Post by techboy on May 15, 2016 5:16:16 GMT
No kidding?
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Post by techboy on May 15, 2016 15:07:15 GMT
Your hardware filter may be changing the volume in that case. Frans may want to explain this.
Or it may be just placebo if the filter doesn't have an instant switch.
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Post by oldson on May 15, 2016 17:48:55 GMT
Your hardware filter may be changing the volume in that case. Frans may want to explain this. Or it may be just placebo if the filter doesn't have an instant switch. no there is no noticeable volume change and certainly no placebo. just a lift in certain higher frequencies, i believe.(basically removes the lcd2's renowned "dark" signature) i can toggle this on and off with the flick of a switch. if i remember correctly, when i ordered my filter board from Frans, he asked for a copy of the FR graph that Audeze provided for my specific headphone. he was then able to tailor the filter to suit my headphone. i know sw offer a similar service, but i would have thought their "average" audeze lcd2 software filter would yield an audible change. to my ears it does not, nor does the hd650 filter. i do know everything is working because if i load a random filter setting (eg dt770) and play this back through my lcd2 i can then hear a difference when clicking the "calibrate" button on and off.
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Post by techboy on May 16, 2016 10:40:59 GMT
There need not be a noticeable change in volume. A 0.2 db change in volume will result in something like you're experiencing.
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Post by jello on May 16, 2016 13:09:52 GMT
Or perhaps the filter just works as intended???
I found that when I demo'd SW there was a far greater change in volume than 0.2 dB that's for sure! Which based on my limited knowledge of software EQ would make sense as I think you EQ down to avoid 'destructive' EQ'ing?
Just to flip this on its head as you seem to be casting doubt on the filter Simon is using....you could of course apply the same logic to your experiences with SW and say what you are hearing is placebo caused by the shift in volume or delay (it's there even if it's a split second)?
Having used a couple of Frans' filters I would say they are very effective indeed. Depending on the headphones used the changes can be very subtle (HD650) or very apparent (DT990) but go back to listening to either unfiltered, irrespective of volume, and there is no doubt that the FR has been changed. As I said to Frans at the time in the case of the HD650 the changes are subtle but profound. You notice them more when you revert back than when you apply the filter.
It's funny because unfiltered the HD650 and DT990 sound absolutely nothing alike but filtered they sound really rather similar in many respects although their underlying 'character' remains.
To my ears both methods work as intended although I prefer the hardware approach myself.
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Simon, with regard to the LCD 2 does SW have a plug-in specifically for your revision? I'm wondering if their plug was perhaps for a different one (Fazor?) that was closer to their 'target' so needed less correcting? I hear a lot of talk (complaints mainly) from folk who say the Fazor sounds nothing like the non-Fazor versions.
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