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Post by audiojack on May 22, 2016 16:53:34 GMT
Thanks! but no offense, but that's just my issue with the Head-fi thread as well. Certain mods influence a certain general area of the sound. If you want more bass, you do a certain mod. More treble, you do a certain mod. Obviously it will influence the rest of the spectrum, and everyone knows this, but still no one says "this one right here is basically a bass/mids/treble/etc mod." The pre-qualification is that any mod will effect the sound, and potentially the entire range of sound or enjoyment from a given headset, but it's almost impossible for intro-DIYers to just figure out which mods lean towards which area of the frequency. I've passed up the Shure pads, had the change and passed, because I already have angled Hybrids on there that I like for comfort and sound. I'll keep reading and see what I come up with, and will check the link for SBAF as well. I just hate taking the pads off innumerable times to mod-check-mod-check and put wear on the components. Basic mods that will impact bass include closing off the cup as much as you can. This impacts soundstage, but will give you better bass response. So, tape over the cup vents and see how you like it. Once you take it apart, seal up the baffle (an earlier post specifically said "less holes = more bass"), etc. Bass escapes, so the more you lock it down the better that area will be. Obviously, it will change the rest of the sound but whether that's good or bad is something only you'll be able to tell.
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Post by Rabbit on May 22, 2016 17:57:44 GMT
Welcome audiojack.
I've closed some baffle vents and the cup vents on mine and it's not too bad with the Alcantara pads. Could do with a bit more 'air' though. To me, it sounds like the older one once modded this way.
I have a measured and modded T40 from Solderdude, so I used that as a reference to try and tune my T50 mk3.
It's good, but I'd like more from it if possible. The openness is an issue for me but I still like it a great deal and can easily accept it as it is.
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Post by audiojack on May 22, 2016 18:22:29 GMT
Welcome audiojack. I've closed some baffle vents and the cup vents on mine and it's not too bad with the Alcantara pads. Could do with a bit more 'air' though. To me, it sounds like the older one once modded this way. I have a measured and modded T40 from Solderdude, so I used that as a reference to try and tune my T50 mk3. It's good, but I'd like more from it if possible. The openness is an issue for me but I still like it a great deal and can easily accept it as it is. Thank you for the welcome. And I'm in the same boat - I closed up my cup vents, and then opened them most of the way up again to get the soundstage back. If AKG made an ortho headphone I'd just buy that and be done with it. Speaking of which, are there tear-apart diagrams available for how the Mk3 breaks down? I saw a screenshot of the official PDF (someone on Head-fi posted it), but it was lo-res.
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Post by Rabbit on May 22, 2016 18:48:35 GMT
I haven't seen one, but Solderdude might know.
Does the bass diminish when the cup vents are reopened?
I had no way of testing other than going by memory which isn't the best.
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Post by solderdude on May 22, 2016 19:22:17 GMT
Sealing the vents will turn the T50RP into a T40RP. Problem is that when closing the vents you get a bit more lows but not more subbass. Below plots Tyll has on innerfidelity. It shows the differences between the vents being open. NOTE: these are raw uncompensated plots so you should only look at everything below 1kHz.Strangely enough (perhaps a mistake) it would appear the open T20RP has the most bass where the closed T40RP has the least bass. Of course some speak of closing the front vents where the difference between the models only is the rear vent. Adding subbass may only be possible with other pads but most likely with a raised (muddy) bass response as a result unless heavily damped. Heavy damping rolls off subbass again. Another issue is the treble peak and steep drop-off above 10kHz. The treble peak can be lowered but by punishment of treble extension or (when using pads) other parts of the frequency range. The Fsotex's assets are great for monitoring but less so for hifi.... at least for me. I want subbass and treble extension and couldn't care less if is done by a dynamic, ortho dynamic, electrostatic, electret, ribbon or other transducer... as long as it sounds good. Still the drivers are decent and with proper EQ perform really well.
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Post by audiojack on May 22, 2016 19:23:14 GMT
I haven't seen one, but Solderdude might know. Does the bass diminish when the cup vents are reopened? I had no way of testing other than going by memory which isn't the best. It wasn't a big difference; in fact to me it was barely noticeable, but closed typically does yield a little more rumble. On the Mk3 it's pretty open sounding regardless though. But I'm not one of those audiophiles that will test and measure everything - I try something, tinker a bit, see if I like it, see if I notice a difference, etc etc.
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Post by Rabbit on May 22, 2016 20:04:30 GMT
I don't like to mess around really, unless I have a reference. In this case, I used a measured and modded t40.
I use so many other headphones though and they all sound so different!!
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Post by Rabbit on May 22, 2016 20:08:56 GMT
Absolutely Frans. I don't care what type of drivers they are either as long as they sound good. Personally, unless you want to do another article, I wouldn't worry about the mk3. It is similar to the old mk2 and lack of sparkle remains once those horrible plastic pads come off.
Good headphone but still with extremes ultimately rolled away.
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Post by solderdude on May 22, 2016 20:12:14 GMT
It does have some appealing qualities when EQ'ed properly.
Quite dynamic and capable of high quality sound reproduction. Didn't care at all for the old stock T50RP, will probably like the mkIII better in stock condition. The lack of subbass and treble extension would tick me off though.
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Post by Rabbit on May 22, 2016 20:13:31 GMT
Ultimately, that gets to me as well.
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Post by jello on May 29, 2016 18:35:09 GMT
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Post by marveltone on May 29, 2016 18:52:22 GMT
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Post by jello on May 29, 2016 19:21:31 GMT
You're right. I suppose the higher impedance was a bit of a giveaway as planars tend to be around 50 ohms or lower.
Wonder if they have much modding potential.
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Post by Rabbit on Jun 8, 2016 7:30:47 GMT
I had a look at Lachlan's recent review of the t40 which was interesting. He tends to be quite moderate and open in his views so I enjoy seeing what he says about headphones. He's had a break but has just returned and intends to be more regular with his videos.
Anyway, he went for the t40 because he feels that it has less of a treble peak than the t50.
This made me curious, so I went downstairs to the kitchen this morning and ripped out the tape and put stock pads back on for a listen. You know, as it is, it's not a bad headphone at all. He's right about pad swapping I think. The headphone does become darker with the Shure 1540 pads and going back reveals the top again. Bass isn't that deep and to me, they sound like good 'small' speakers. What they do, they do well and it really isn't a bad headphone at all for that kind of money, being a planar as well.
I think they've done a good job in the re-tuning TBH and it's perfectly good to go from the box.
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Post by tommo21 on Jun 21, 2016 9:34:14 GMT
I'm a bit underwhelmed with the T50RP MK3. I've now used it for about 100 hours, completely stock, and the only thing I like about it is a fairly good airy soundstage/width. I actually contemplate selling it, and not doing any mods, as I feel it's easier to sell without mods and warranty intact. Been using it with my Gustard H10.
This is my third Fostex headphone I don't like, so maybe me and Fostex just aren't meant to be.
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