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Post by Rabbit on Apr 24, 2017 12:00:06 GMT
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Post by marveltone on Apr 25, 2017 2:52:40 GMT
Ian, I really appreciate your video reviews. They give a real close look at the products at many angles. I'll have to keep the Vyrus 2 in mind for later consideration. Mark told me he thought they'd work rather well for outdoor jobs, like mowing. The price is more to my liking than the Master, also. Hopefully they work for small ear canals.
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Post by Rabbit on Apr 25, 2017 6:29:20 GMT
They do Joe. They are smaller than the Master so easier to get a fit. Even smaller and going for a steal now is the Hyperion. It is tiny. In fact, I fiddle to get the damned thing out of my ear because it virtually disappears, but the sound is excellent.
They've gone up now and are listed at £35 but they are still a really good buy. Little silver, rounded buds. The tips almost dwarf the body.
There is a problem describing the Trinity sound because it isn't fixed. Even the Kameleon which changes its sound becomes a fixed sound once the filter is in so there is something to describe, but you can set the Vyrus 2 to what you prefer. You just swap out the barrels for more bass or more treble or a more 'v shaped' sound. That's why I think they'll do so well.
Once you find the barrel or sound that suits you, that's as good as it gets!! For me, in comparison to the Master, the Vyrus 2 doesn't have the same depth and punch but changing to a more v shaped sound would get it closer I think. It is a lot better than perhaps I give it credit for though.
It is a good buy for the package that you get. I would suggest Spinfit tips because they're very soft for the more delicate ear. I have quite delicate ears and without a good grip, you tend to naturally stuff them to hard into your ear. Once they bottom out, the seal goes very often or you end up with a partial seal.
For me, the Hyperion is a tad small. It fits my ear but is fiddly for me.
I have a finger missing on my right hand and feeling in it isn't as good as a 'normal' hand. I used to ride a large motorbike and my hand was crushed in an accident doing damage to the nerves. That's why I can't do fiddly jobs with small components and a hot soldering iron. My hand would be burning badly before I felt it!! That's also why I'm so pathetic with electronics and not being able to build things for myself is very frustrating. Invariably, because I can't feel so much with my right hand, I drop small things very easily so components can be tricky for me. I find that the most annoying thing because I have to rely on other people to build things for me as a result. It's a bit like wearing a leather glove when picking small things up. So the Hyperion is a bit difficult for me.
The Vyrus is fine though. I'd say that it was a kind of good spot as far as price and performance go. I can hear compromises, but only because I have a Master here to compare with. If you want to spend less though, the Hyperion kicks ass!!
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Post by jello on Apr 25, 2017 8:55:31 GMT
I think the only knock on the Hyperion is that at it's regular price it's just to close to the Vyrus 2 for comfort. The extra £15 is easily worth it imho for the better form factor and myriad of tuning options it unlocks. The annoying thing is I'm sitting with a couple of new pairs of Hyperions that I picked up for £16 each in the recent sale. I'd have offered Joe a pair but it'd likely cost me the same again in onward shipping The ANC on the Sony is great for blocking out lawnmower noise but I still prefer IEMs myself. Just find the ANC mics pick up too much wind noise and on hot days those pleather pads really aren't pleasant. And I also feel a bit like a Cyberman wearing them outdoors!!
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Post by Rabbit on Apr 25, 2017 9:04:19 GMT
Well, it's £49 and I think USA and Canada might have to pay import tax too, so it's a bit cheaper Mark.
I agree, the ability to tune the Vyrus 2 puts it way ahead of the Hyperion and my head is fixed at £20 for it but they've gone and put the price up. At £20 it was a bargain.
The fit of the Vyrus 2 is way easier as well.
I just compared directly with the Master, both with the barrels that came fitted and the Vyrus 2 is more 'shallow' sounding, but actually it's still a very good sound. A change of barrel will fix that too, so I might go through them and compare directly with the Master to see which barrel gets the Vyrus 2 the closest tonally. They're not that far removed from each other.
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Post by jello on Apr 25, 2017 9:10:35 GMT
Could be wrong but I don't think the US guys have to pay tax on imports?...not 100% though. Just know we get hammered. Canadians too I think. And nobody pays £49...£39.20 sounds a lot better to me btw your Spinfits will be here tomorrow. Amazon JP sent them DHL express!!
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Post by Rabbit on Apr 25, 2017 11:08:10 GMT
Yes ... I saw your pm. That was a surprise!!! Very quick. They must be selling them for too much and want to make out that it's really important or something!!! Thanks ever so much, Mark. You are a kind fella to be sure. Especially given that you're in Scotland. (You mentioned it first in your pm!!! ) The other ones you mentioned have me curious now. I took a look at them and again, never seen them before. You never know, they might be even better. I think I need a tip with Road tread on them for grip and to stop skidding. I might start to play with the barrels on the Vyrus now to see what the colours do. I think TA said that the colours were consistent from now on so it hopefully might translate to the Master.
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Post by jello on Apr 25, 2017 11:29:33 GMT
Cheers Ian The Vyrus seems a better one to experiment with the filters. Getting a good fit with that IEM is a bit more 'one and done' in nature so doesn't distract from the job at hand quite so much. I wouldn't mind a pair with road tread either!!
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Post by Rabbit on Apr 25, 2017 11:46:50 GMT
Another thing that helps fit, Mark along with water is to warm up the tips. That might be why you get a bad fit the next day. When cooler, they're just a bit stiffer. I find that after 5 minutes or so, I can take them out and get a much more reliable fit.
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Post by Rabbit on Apr 25, 2017 16:26:53 GMT
Mark, the red barrels on the Vyrus 2 seem good. Bigger bass and better defined top. (So I guess more v shaped) you still get the feeling that less air is moving though, but it sounds a bit bigger. Slightly more top edge than the Master with red barrels too. Almost like the sound has shifted up in tonal balance from the Master to the Vyrus, but to my ears, the Vyrus is better now.
I wonder whether the Vyrus barrels correlate with the Master which comes with red fitted? There's a little more similarity now the Vyrus has a red barrel fitted. The Vyrus is bloody amazing value for money tbh.
I think Bob was trying to get consistency with the colours so it would make sense.
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Post by tunkejazz on Apr 25, 2017 16:45:39 GMT
Nice review Ian. I wished we had more reviews like this one.
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Post by Rabbit on Apr 25, 2017 16:59:17 GMT
Thanks tunejazz. I'm experimenting with them at the moment just to see if they have an effect on the site. Speech is a bit slow and deliberate. I did that to help understanding for Americans, but it seems I am understood quite easily with my accent so maybe the next will be more like my normal speed!! Just trying to show people what Mark and I are going on about really.
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Post by jello on Apr 25, 2017 18:46:34 GMT
Mark, the red barrels on the Vyrus 2 seem good. Bigger bass and better defined top. (So I guess more v shaped) you still get the feeling that less air is moving though, but it sounds a bit bigger. Slightly more top edge than the Master with red barrels too. Almost like the sound has shifted up in tonal balance from the Master to the Vyrus, but to my ears, the Vyrus is better now. I wonder whether the Vyrus barrels correlate with the Master which comes with red fitted? There's a little more similarity now the Vyrus has a red barrel fitted. The Vyrus is bloody amazing value for money tbh. I think Bob was trying to get consistency with the colours so it would make sense. That's interesting. Vyrus 2 does seem like a good IEM and likely the one that could be described as the 'bang for you buck one' of the range. At least that's how I'd describe the original and it seems like the V2 is a decent improvement. Having consistent filter colours across the entire range would definitely be a huge step in the right direction because it makes no sense to buy a new IEM and have to learn a completely new colour coding system. What colour of filter is the pre-fitted filter on the Vyrus 2 and can you use these filters on the Master too? If they are identical it would definitely come in handy if a filter was ever lost.
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Post by Rabbit on Apr 25, 2017 19:14:48 GMT
The pre-fitted one was a dark grey one. Someone on HF claimed that was the most neutral, which it probably is. It looks as though Trinity have fitted a 'v shaped' barrel to the Master since it's red and on the Vyrus, it sounds 'v shaped'. More so than the Master because the top end is a bit sharper with it, but the characteristics are kind of similar.
I'm not sure if the barrels are inter-changeable. That would be nice. It could offer the possibility of buying just the body of the next iem without the barrels at a cheaper cost. Bet Trinity never considered that. Just sell the capsules if we already have a lead and barrels.
I'll suggest that HF to see if it gets a reaction!!
oooh .... I can't. The thread has been locked!! I wonder what happened?
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Post by jello on Apr 25, 2017 19:43:48 GMT
I don't think anything has happened in the thread. Looks like maintenance going on as it seems to be site wide.
Now the option just to buy IEMs would be good now that they've gone to a more modular system. If you have a stash of tips, filters, cables etc. then you don't really need any more. And it does away with the need for big fancy boxes which no doubt add to the cost too.
Can't see it happening though.
I'll need to dig out the dark grey filter and try it on the Master.
Edit: think I'll stick to red!! From memory the dark grey sounds similar to the one that was pre-fitted to the original Vyrus. I suppose it's fairly neutral or balanced sounding but also seems quite subdued.
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