Rabbit
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Jan 21, 2015 22:14:20 GMT
Post by Rabbit on Jan 21, 2015 22:14:20 GMT
I want the headphone to be as flat as the amp. Amps are very good, but the headphone is often the weakest link.
It's similar to tv. Do you like a grey on black and white or a blue/grey, or red/grey or something else grey? Really, your tv should be calibrated to grey so that what the broadcasters send out is shown as they sent it.
Same for headphones.
Flat means that all frequencies are produced at the same volume if present, so you hear exactly what is on the recording. It's not always too flattering though.
I have a pretty for t40 and k550 here, but I also have standard k550s and a t50 that aren't flat. The Senn can be improved as well.
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Jan 21, 2015 22:15:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 22:15:54 GMT
Hmm. Is a recording always flat?
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Jan 21, 2015 23:17:02 GMT
Post by solderdude on Jan 21, 2015 23:17:02 GMT
Nope, most are not. A lot of them are 'skewed' by badly calibrated monitor speakers or because of 'processing' so it sounds good on lo-fi stuff.
The ones that are 'flat' sound best on 'flat' gear though, extremely realistic. Think recordings that are mic'ed only and not processed. Plenty of great recordings out there.
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Jan 22, 2015 6:06:27 GMT
Post by Rabbit on Jan 22, 2015 6:06:27 GMT
Hmm. Is a recording always flat? No, not at all. But a skewed recording plus a skewed headphone can mean a double skewed listening experience. The only way to get it right is to listen on the same gear as the people who mixed it. Once they get it flat (in some cases), you get a terrific listening experience. Flat ought to be their reference point.
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Jan 22, 2015 16:35:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 16:35:23 GMT
OK, I'm sold on that. Is there a way to use these 'filters' with the Ember?
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Jan 22, 2015 17:53:46 GMT
Post by solderdude on Jan 22, 2015 17:53:46 GMT
Not yet,
Perhaps in the future there will be an 'add-on' but Jeremy has a lot of other priorities to take care of first.
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Rabbit
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Jan 22, 2015 18:41:05 GMT
Post by Rabbit on Jan 22, 2015 18:41:05 GMT
Imagine an HD 650 that goes lower in the bass no is slightly more extended in the treble. That's the filtered version!
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Jan 22, 2015 19:30:57 GMT
Post by oldson on Jan 22, 2015 19:30:57 GMT
Not yet, Perhaps in the future there will be an 'add-on' but Jeremy has a lot of other priorities to take care of first. was he not referring to a desktop filter like mine?
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Jan 22, 2015 19:36:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 19:36:31 GMT
Not yet, Perhaps in the future there will be an 'add-on' but Jeremy has a lot of other priorities to take care of first. was he not referring to a desktop filter like mine? I might have been . What do you have?
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Jan 22, 2015 19:40:32 GMT
Post by Rabbit on Jan 22, 2015 19:40:32 GMT
Actually, at one time, Frans had some passive leads that went between the amp and headphone which helped to make them less cloudy in the treble. Not sure they're needed now though with the new pads, or whether I'm just tuned in to them and don't notice. Mine seem clear enough to me.
Or maybe it reduced the bass hump? I can't remember which way around it was.
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Jan 22, 2015 19:42:00 GMT
Post by oldson on Jan 22, 2015 19:42:00 GMT
i have a filter for my lcd2 on my desktop system into my Ember.
see my sig
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Jan 22, 2015 19:51:58 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 19:51:58 GMT
Yeah I see it in your sig. I assume you think it improves the sound then?
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oldson
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Jan 22, 2015 20:06:35 GMT
Post by oldson on Jan 22, 2015 20:06:35 GMT
Yeah I see it in your sig. I assume you think it improves the sound then? no "think" about it. to my ears it does improve the sound. it increases the high end detail. the lcd2 is regarded as a "dark" sound signature generally, the filter brightens things up slightly.
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Jan 22, 2015 20:15:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 20:15:22 GMT
Yeah, I didn't doubt your opinion. I'm not sure I'd appreciated the HD 650 being brighter and that's my concern. I like the 650 sound as is, I just wish there was a way of having more of it.
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Jan 22, 2015 20:19:57 GMT
Post by oldson on Jan 22, 2015 20:19:57 GMT
Yeah, I didn't doubt your opinion. I'm not sure I'd appreciated the HD 650 being brighter and that's my concern. I like the 650 sound as is, I just wish there was a way of having more of it. the filter is specific for the headphone and does not mean every headphone will sound brighter when filtered. it depends on the original frequency response of any given headphone. Frans or Ian would probably explain it much better than me.
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