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Post by Rabbit on Dec 23, 2013 15:29:19 GMT
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Post by solderdude on Dec 23, 2013 19:28:55 GMT
Do you know who wrote it ? He used Tyll's plots b.t.w. Also I cannot agree with all of his findings and 'demands' but in most aspects he (who-ever he is) has some good points.
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 23, 2013 20:32:24 GMT
No Frans. Don't know who did it. It is quite interesting to see a detached, straight review. Surprising where some came out as well.
They're probably in cahoots with Tyll since he posted the link on his blog.
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Post by neo on Dec 26, 2013 16:34:12 GMT
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 26, 2013 18:18:38 GMT
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to adjust a headphone to close as possible to flat and that's it, but the whole process of designing a headphone is complex if you want an accurate one.
I think my own preference is flat in mids and treble as far up as possible. However, I get drawn in more with a slightly raised bass. Preferably not the steep 100 hertz hill that is often seen on headphones. It can sound pleasant but after a while, you begin to tire of the 'enhanced' bottom end.
It's a very interesting read. I can imagine some owners of headphones getting annoyed; especially Mad Dog owners who paid quite a premium. Others as well.
I like the 'no brand is safe' approach actually and how it just presents what is seen.
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Post by solderdude on Dec 26, 2013 18:34:17 GMT
Adding a correction filter removes the dips from the maddog but the distortion levels remain relatively high. The maddog and modded T50RP's are very close in performance and a filtered T50RP sounds excellent where acc. to SanjiWatsuki it cannot because it doesn't pass all his tests and also won't pass using the filter.
Problem with distortion is that there is distortion and distortion and not all distortion is horrid yet other is. He bases his story on the plots made by Tyll, which are over corrected in the highs anyway and thus he has to 'alter' his demands with respect to these plots yet not to reality. Also Tylls plots do not say what type of distortion is present it just mentions THD at various frequencies but not its components (2nd, 3rd etc) which is of more importance.
The attempt is rather incomplete and as said on Changstar. There are headphones that do not fit SanjiWatsuki's bill yet sound good as the 'colouration' is pleasant to some. Some of his 'demands' are a bit suspect as well as are some of his reasoning and conclusions.
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Post by neo on Dec 26, 2013 18:46:02 GMT
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to adjust a headphone to close as possible to flat and that's it, but the whole process of designing a headphone is complex if you want an accurate one. I think my own preference is flat in mids and treble as far up as possible. However, I get drawn in more with a slightly raised bass. Preferably not the steep 100 hertz hill that is often seen on headphones. It can sound pleasant but after a while, you begin to tire of the 'enhanced' bottom end. It's a very interesting read. I can imagine some owners of headphones getting annoyed; especially Mad Dog owners who paid quite a premium. Others as well. I like the 'no brand is safe' approach actually and how it just presents what is seen. Damn right Sir. "Getting annoyed"...I would say but***rt, specially at headfi. I don't know whether the author is on head-fi, but if he is, he's sure in for some stick from the fanboys. Neutral headphones just seem too lifeless to me, whether its what the artist intended me to hear, or whatever crap some "audiophiles" talk about. I like a bit of elevated bass, flat mids, and a lil rolled off treble
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 26, 2013 19:46:22 GMT
The treble is fine if it's flatish for me; going as high up as as possible, although I don't mind the treble rolled away either if I'm honest. It means that they're easier at high volume.
If the bass is ruler like though, I do start to miss lower impact sometimes but that could be me trying to compensate for the lack of physical vibrations that I feel all the time very heavily with live music.
I do adapt to skewed headphones pretty quickly though as long as they're not massively weighted in any particular area.
I have a t40 that is pretty flat and a t50 with slightly raised bass and can accept both very easily although the t40 can seem thin with some recordings which is when I swap for the t50.
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Post by solderdude on Dec 26, 2013 20:00:35 GMT
it is called 'the missing 6dB effect' and is caused by room resonances that are present in speaker-fi but not in headphones.
GE used to have this in their 'target' plot but later removed it. Flat reproduction in headphones sounds good at higher listening levels in excellent recordings but in the majority of recordings it doesn't sound that good. Blame it on the monitors in studios.
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 26, 2013 20:27:26 GMT
Of course, Frans. Mixing on speakers would result in a mix that sounds a bit thin on a headphone with room resonances missing!
I think I mean 'raised bass' when I write that a headphone sounds like a speaker. (Perhaps also, rolled away treble as well)
Just like 3d and straight blu-ray discs are often sold together now, it would be nice to have a speaker mix and a headphone mix (even binaural) being offered of the same music. Could ramp up sales for IPod people who also want a speaker mix at home.
Or ..... I guess, an equaliser could be a necessary evil, but it's not as simple as that either.
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