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Post by oldson on May 31, 2016 18:27:06 GMT
If you forget about the bass, if somebody wants HD 800 like clarity, speed and transients with a huge soundstage and a very comfortable headphone. is that not the hd800?
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Post by techboy on May 31, 2016 18:37:44 GMT
Lol ya, but I meant with neutral treble. More than HD 600. Like than HD 800. Less than HE6. Without a filter. Open. Driven by an iPhone. And should scale infinitely.
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Post by oldson on May 31, 2016 18:51:36 GMT
Lol ya, but I meant with neutral treble. More than HD 600. Like than HD 800. Less than HE6. Without a filter. Open. Driven by an iPhone. And should scale infinitely. and i thought i was "hard to please"
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Post by Rabbit on May 31, 2016 19:00:24 GMT
Different. In weight and ease of use (drive directly from a DAP/Phone) they are better. Also more detailed and 'linear' without a filter. Bass quality of the LCD2 is higher though. The Ether is more 'etherical' sounding where the LCD is more 'solid'. In tonality the LCD-2 with a filter will be about on par with the ETHER. thanks for that, Frans. if you had said they were an improvement (to your ears) over my filtered lcd2 then i may have taken a punt on them. i may still do in the future if a real good deal were to come along, but as things stand it seems like the main improvement benefit for me would be comfort, as i seldom use my dap these days. not really worth the cost just for the improved comfort. ortho's do seem to be getting generally lighter, which is a good thing. I think it becomes difficult to state absolutely which headphone is 'better' than another; especially in this price bracket. Yet, that's the most common pm I get on Headfi from many people who want me to tell them what to get. I really don't like to do that because it is often a case of 'different' and so preference becomes a major factor. It looks to me as though there's a choice between a more prominent bass or a more prominent top end. There's almost like a different 'slant' in terms of sound with the Senn going more into the top and the Ether more into the bottom. Then Frans is able to calm that Senn top with a Kameleon ..... I reckon both have superb imaging as well. So really, it's not a case of better, but just different and what you prefer. I basically got a th900 because I wanted bass with real clarity in the top. The Fostex delivers for me big time, and with all the talk of 'bloated' bass dominating, I was quite concerned before it arrived because I'd lashed out £900 for it. The biggest problem for me is in no way the bass. It dominates nothing like what I've read. No, for me, it has quite a strong top end which needs careful matching. I've had it for over a year and it still remains perfectly natural sounding to me so at least it's a 'keeper', thank goodness. So it will be just 'different' I reckon between Senn and Ether. I also feel that the 'impression' of great detail and openness on the Senn may well be that treble. In a much cheaper price bracket, the Sony V6 'seems' massively detailed. It's not really. It's just that razor top end that gives that impression and I have a feeling that the hd800 does the same and once Kamelonised so that the treble is less laser like, detail becomes much the same as other headphones in the same price bracket. So for me, I think the bass and less razor like top is a more attractive option.
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Post by noobhead on Aug 26, 2016 17:05:56 GMT
Anyone demoed the Flow Open and Close yet? Open Flow addressed a lot of my concerns in regards to the leaness/unevenness in selected frequencies, had I not heard the Focal Elears, I would probably consider it a no brainer replacement for my LCDX (tho there's still more meat/sub bass and scale on most LCD models). Still prefer the open variant over the closed ethers which imho are like HD600 to the Ether Open's HD650, ie perhaps more neutral but subjective less engaging.
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Post by solderdude on Aug 26, 2016 18:51:00 GMT
I haven't heard either. The ETHER-flow is one I might probably buy if it wasn't a bit too expensive. Would not buy the closed version though, only the open one.
The only gripes I had with the first model was bass quality and perhaps slightly exaggerated treble. This seems addressed in the newer version.
The Elears and Utopia I will probably demo by the end of September. The ETHER flow most likely not.
Suspect the ETHER to be better than the Elear to my ears. Don't want to listen to the Utopia fearing I may actually like it.
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