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Post by ronzo56 on Jun 20, 2015 22:56:51 GMT
Ian, I have always wanted to know if that treble peak around 6kHz on the HD800 is bothersome to you. As I seem immune.
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Post by z3d on Jun 20, 2015 23:39:19 GMT
I never auditioned an HD800, quite curious about them honestly.
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Post by ronzo56 on Jun 21, 2015 0:33:04 GMT
I never auditioned an HD800, quite curious about them honestly. They are an interesting phone. People seem to complain about the treble, but keep them to mod. Or they sell, then buy them again. Very resolving headphone. I have no issues with the treble. Worth giving a listen. They don't get along with most solid state amps for some reason. Some tubes in the circuit seems to make them shine. I find the Project Ember with the right tube is a very nice combination.
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Post by musicman on Jun 21, 2015 0:53:58 GMT
Hd 800's are still $1479.00 on US Amazon.... www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Over-Ear-Circum-Aural-Dynamic-Headphone/dp/B001OTZ8DA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1434847670&sr=8-1&keywords=hd800I agree with the way things are overpriced when they first come out. For years when building my personal computers, I always bought the previous years top parts, got good quality, and usually bug free. Did the same with cars, first year depreciation is nutz. Now retired, fixed income have to be even more careful. The one place I splurge is on music, without good sound, I am just another lost soul. As far as getting rid of all but one headphone it would be the 650, oh yeah, I only have two 650's so that is a mute point.
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Post by Rabbit on Jun 21, 2015 7:59:54 GMT
Ian, I have always wanted to know if that treble peak around 6kHz on the HD800 is bothersome to you. As I seem immune. I don't know really, Ron. If it has something that 'balances' at the other end, I'm normally ok. I have a Sony V6 which I can use quite happily, where other people hate them to the point that they can't keep them on their heads. To me, the secret of most headphones is to get the volume right. So many habitually listen at a preset volume that they're accustomed to without any regard to the recording and if it was done with mics, the distance that the mic was from the performers. So the Sonys work for me better at lower volume in comparison to other headphones and you don't lose too much bass. The Grados work better at a slightly higher volume but they seem to lack bass at most volumes. I suspect that the hd800 has a good low bass which might compensate for the top. Certainly, at that price, Sennheiser are returning to the land of the living rather than the land of 'nod' where wallets thickness is more important than sound it seems.
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Post by Rabbit on Jun 21, 2015 8:02:17 GMT
Hd 800's are still $1479.00 on US Amazon.... www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Over-Ear-Circum-Aural-Dynamic-Headphone/dp/B001OTZ8DA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1434847670&sr=8-1&keywords=hd800I agree with the way things are overpriced when they first come out. For years when building my personal computers, I always bought the previous years top parts, got good quality, and usually bug free. Did the same with cars, first year depreciation is nutz. Now retired, fixed income have to be even more careful. The one place I splurge is on music, without good sound, I am just another lost soul. As far as getting rid of all but one headphone it would be the 650, oh yeah, I only have two 650's so that is a mute point. I've got two as well and an hd600. If I had to choose between 600 and 650, I'd be in trouble. I tend to use the 600 for classical music and the 650 for pop and jazz. Th900 works well with both, I might keep that one, come to think of it......
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Post by ronzo56 on Jun 21, 2015 10:16:49 GMT
That's just about what I paid in November when they had a 35% off deal for a few days. So they pretty much have raised the price and profit by that much. I am in the wrong business. At least I know I won't lose money if I ever decide to sell them. That was from Senn-USA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 10:42:53 GMT
I may be wrong here (not likely) but I think the headphone industry would be one of relatively few to have bucked the 'recession'. Everybody seems to have headphones, even if only the bundled buds that come with all mobile devices these days.
Arms would be another, obviously. Death always has a buyer.
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Post by Rabbit on Jun 21, 2015 11:00:45 GMT
Yes, I think you're right. I do think that some companies look for a quick initial sale which covers cost and then if it warrants longer term, it stays on the market as profit and price drops.
The recent business with Hifiman was a great example. Put out on an enthusiast site that a beta test is about to happen and sign up for a headphone. Then get charged ....... Yes, I do know how much .... And keep it if you like it.
Basically, they sold a lot of very high priced units all in one go. In fact, they hadn't made enough, so there were two batches!!! So they've got their money back and possibly more. Anything else is a profit so a great bonus.
Same for k550 which can now be had at half price. Excellent headphone too. They could have left the price higher, but they've made their profit and so the rest is a bonus before they reinvent it as say a K560.
Sennheiser didn't go that route and the 650 remained as it is. It dropped a little but their headphones seem to sit on the market for a longer period of time I think.
Following the Hifiman programme, I kind of don't trust them so much if I'm honest. Not only in the claims that headphone manufacturers make about their headphones, but the real worth of the headphone itself and whether it's likely to fall in price within a year or two.
The 'nano' technology that Hifiman has produced may well spread if the units prove to remain stable, and the cost comes down. Mind you, some interesting thoughts have been written about those thin drivers and the effects of different weather and pressures in various locations on the sound.
The demand for those headphones have really surprised me though given the kind of money they're going for.
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Post by ronzo56 on Jun 21, 2015 11:47:20 GMT
I think you are spot on Gordon. With fewer middle class due to the depress...uh recession, you have to go where the money is. You also have to raise the price to attract the wealthy to your product. You sell less, but you still make the same profit. Plus with less product you can lay off some workers as well and do even better. That's why there are $1,000,000 plus speakers out there. As to arms. The U.S miltary budget was $610 billion last year (£384 billion). That as much as China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, France, Germany, India and the UK combined. So I think they are doing well. And it was higher during the recession because we were in two wars at once. No politics. The numbers just boggle the mind. I heard a rumor that Focal's next statement speakers will be in that price range. They only are building one pair. Warren Buffet will be paying them off on revolving credit.
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Post by Jakkal on Jun 21, 2015 17:30:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 19:40:21 GMT
Good video!
I do really like the design of them but since Ian pointed out that the pads can't be changed I'm less impressed. A strange decision. If nothing else they'd have made more money from sales of replacements.
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Post by ronzo56 on Jun 21, 2015 20:24:52 GMT
Good video! I do really like the design of them but since Ian pointed out that the pads can't be changed I'm less impressed. A strange decision. If nothing else they'd have made more money from sales of replacements. Actually they sell the replacement pads and they can be replaced. Apparently there is a trick to getting them off. In other words it's a pain if you don't know someone who has done it. Saw a video I think made by Senn that shows you how. I think they would like you to send them in and charge you a service fee.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 20:45:18 GMT
Good video! I do really like the design of them but since Ian pointed out that the pads can't be changed I'm less impressed. A strange decision. If nothing else they'd have made more money from sales of replacements. Actually they sell the replacement pads and they can be replaced. Apparently there is a trick to getting them off. In other words it's a pain if you don't know someone who has done it. Saw a video I think made by Senn that shows you how. I think they would like you to send them in and charge you a service fee. Oh right, sorry. V-Moda allow you to change pads on their M-100 but it involves stressing the parts way beyond where you really want to stop & often results in the originals being damaged beyond repair. Madness. One of the great things about my Q701's was that, being circular, they used a bayonet locking mechanism. Simples.
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Post by ronzo56 on Jun 21, 2015 21:49:25 GMT
I think that's the same issue with the HD800's. You can take off paint if you don't do it right.
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