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Post by jhelms on Jun 12, 2013 20:42:38 GMT
I actually enjoy these. Listening to rock, electric or anything dynamic, they just have a nice sound signature and are very affordable - nice build quality. I know they have been hyped a lot, talked about and compared in a million other forum posts in a love - hate relationship... but really... not bad! A year or more ago friend sent me a set to try out. I liked them enough that I purchased a set. I did change out the pads for velours as I listen for hours at a time - did not screw up the bass that bad vs. the pro of comfort. Anyways not really a review at all as I do not have time for long musings, but I find myself listening to these more often than anything else. Not fatiguing in any way - IMO just a nice warm sound with excellent - but not exaggerated bottom end. Anyone else enjoy them, hate them or?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 20:54:36 GMT
had a couple of AT's myself, the a900 and ad2000. enjoyed both for a time but the creaking headband on the latter was annoying. had to sit still basically
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Post by solderdude on Jun 12, 2013 21:03:14 GMT
It must be a 'later' model as the earlier types were not that 'hifi'ish. The plot below shows the differences between the obvious newer version Purrin measured and the one I have. It sounds like it measures ....humongous (fat) bass with an 'overly warm' signature with the upper mids (clarity) lacking a bit. The observant observer will see Purrin's plots being about +5dB too optimistic again in the 16kHz region (as are all of his plots). This isn't just compared to my measurements but to all others shown below as well. Also the low resolution below 100Hz doesn't show how the lows really behave BUT do look nicer (flatter). I researched the M50 a while ago after Dale mentioned it sounded good and thought I simply had 'different' hearing as I didn't agree based on what I have. Turns out both of us were correct as we were both listening to fundamentally different headphones with the same name and type number. The plots above are all from different independent measurements (different sites and test methods) and share common traits. They were stretched in all directions to match the scales otherwise they are impossible to compare. It also shows on 2 sites there was 5dB more bass !
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Post by jhelms on Jun 12, 2013 21:28:43 GMT
Wow that is a heck of a difference between the old and new! Yes, the pair I have were new off the shelf about a year ago. could be less. I remember a conversation we had in which you stated the versions you tried were not great at all and I was trying to figure out why I actually liked mine! Makes sense.
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Post by Rabbit on Jun 12, 2013 21:37:38 GMT
I was using the old version to monitor. Very fat and warm so easy on the ears for long periods of time. I'd like to hear a newer version.
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Post by jhelms on Jun 21, 2013 1:54:12 GMT
If you get the chance- take it. Wish you guys lived a few thousand miles closer! Shipping both ways would probably cost more than the headphones themselves.
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Post by Rabbit on Jun 23, 2013 12:24:01 GMT
I am tempted Jeremy. I am stuck out in Tenerife for three or four weeks in the middle of nowhere in the Summer doing touristy nonsense and although I'll have satellite tv to watch in the house that I've rented, there'll probably not be much on in the day and I'll be out at night so I want a closed pair of portable (ish) headphones that sound half decent for that.
I'm brushing up Spanish in readiness for it now. (I still have trouble asking for a glass of orange juice in Spanish - it's such a mouthful!!! 'puedo tomar un vaso de jugo de naranja por favor?' Try saying that convincingly!!!!!
I could take the T40 but I don't want it to get lost or pinched since it is the best I have.
I am concerned about getting one and finding that it's an old version. The Amazon pics show the same one they always have so I can't be certain that it's a new type.
Does anyone know how long ago changes might have been made?
Is the M50s a new one or just the same headphone with a straight cable?
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Post by solderdude on Jun 23, 2013 15:35:48 GMT
When you have airco there a current M50 might well be a reasonable alternative. If there is no airco sweat will most likely be your enemy.... PortaPro ?
From what I reckon the latest changes are dating from end of 2011. The white ones for sure have the newer 'topology' and white may not be bad in sunny surroundings
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Post by Rabbit on Jun 23, 2013 15:52:42 GMT
When you have airco there a current M50 might well be a reasonable alternative. If there is no airco sweat will most likely be your enemy.... PortaPro ? From what I reckon the latest changes are dating from end of 2011. The white ones for sure have the newer 'topology' and white may not be bad in sunny surroundings Yes, I saw the white and thought they might help in the heat. Some of the work will be outside I think as well so that's worth thinking about. I'll use them both to listen at home and to monitor live. Not using my iem's out there. Too expensive to lose with the custom fit. Small bits of wire can easily be lost; especially if there are any light fingered drunk tourists close at hand. House has airco, but probably going to sweat it out if I'm out early evening. More concerned about drunks getting too close there. I've heard quite a lot about the place and thank goodness, the house is well away from the tourist section, so I can escape. I'll probably take a pair of Senn HD25 since they might be cooler outside. (although I can't wear them for too long but at least I can leave one ear in and one out to hear both live and feed) but don't want to keep them on at home. Got to buy a new batch for work soon so will probably buy some M50's but would like to be sure that I get a newer pair if the sound has changed and is less beefy. Regarding Spanish - Chris has told me an easy way - Un zumo de naranja por favor. I always think zumo is zuevo ..... I have no idea why. I better get a teacher quick!!!
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Post by Javier on Jun 24, 2013 20:26:33 GMT
You would say "jugo" in South America, over here, as Chris told you, we say "zumo". Zuevo... would like to see the waiter's face when you ask for one.
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Post by Rabbit on Jun 24, 2013 20:57:25 GMT
It's a place in Russia, Javier. I get confused where I am!! Oh the joys of a crash course in languages ....... M50's on their way. M50S which has straight cables so perhaps these ones will be better than the old one I had? I'll see.
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Post by Rabbit on Jun 26, 2013 17:14:11 GMT
It arrived today and sounds very nice. I'm only working from memory, but quite similar to what I remember but maybe more clarity in treble and less thump although it still does have a raised bass response.
They have a very colourful response and I remember with the old pair, I had problems with the treble response which wasn't quite sizzly enough but these seem fine.
I don't think there are any massive changes to sound (if these are a new pair) but I think there is more 'clarity'. They will be warm in Tenerife though. They're warm here!!
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Post by solderdude on Jun 26, 2013 18:14:10 GMT
According to the plots the biggest differences are found in the amount of lows (bass). There is a good 5dB difference there. The rest seems quite similar. So they will be similar in sound but with less 'fat' bass but still a bit north of neutral in that area which isn't a bad thing. Less bass skews the sound a bit and would seem like there is more clarity. They newer ones actually quite 'flat' from 10Hz to 3kHz and drops off after that which is a good asset for monitoring phones. The relatively 'raised' but not peaking highs makes it sound detailed yet warmish (a bit HD650-esq albeit slightly brighter perhaps)
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Post by Rabbit on Jun 26, 2013 19:43:01 GMT
They are slightly brighter than HD650, Frans. It could be that having slightly less bass makes them sound 'cleaner'. Very good actually.
It's hard to remember but their build is super really, in spite of being plastic and they are built to take some hard use.
Sound is pretty punchy and works well at low volume too.
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Post by jhelms on Jun 29, 2013 17:02:37 GMT
Interested to hear when you can do some back to backs!
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