Post by solderdude on Aug 13, 2013 8:02:44 GMT
The most often used argument in audio that is seen as 'definitive' proof of existence of phenomena that cannot be shown by measurements is the argument:
There have been many reports...., he or him heard this as well... , we can't all be dillusional..., even noted ( fill in an experts name) heard it... e.t.c.
Makes a lot of sense.... or does it.... consider the following.
Perception is something done in the brain and not a 1 on 1 'registration' of what enters the ears.
The following 'tests' could be used to show how many can 'experience' the same things that aren't actually there but all humans will report a similar 'finding' yet an analysis program or measurements will show the perceived 'findings' are not really there.
Do you see white and sometimes black dots that aren't really black but are actually always white ?
Move your head back and forth and see what all people most likely will report ?
I won't tell what you are seeing as that might spoil the fun.
Another one similar to the well known 'turning wheels' but much prettier and more evident.
can you see the rings move ? Everyone might report this but hold something against the screen (or use the mouse pointer) at a spot you saw moving.
HERE you can find more of these kind of optical illusions.
Consider the possibility that not all one perceives is actually there or happening and that reports that can be found all over the web may very well come because of how our brain functions and processes the incoming 'signals' in a similar way.
Yes, we all experience the 'illusions' above in a similar way and some may even be amazed.
We all experience the same regardless of 'training level' and how hard we try NOT to see it.
We can only NOT see it when we use other references but the moment the other references are not there anymore we experience it again and again ... regardless if we 'know' that it isn't real.
Yet it feels real and we perceive it as 'real'.
Maybe, just maybe... the argument 'he heard it as well' isn't a very solid one after all when we consider sound too is something that is merely 'interpreted' by our brains.
Of course, the above is all some food for thought and not an explanation why person A, B and C both have a preference for X while Z is found to be sub-par but measures quite the same.
Not counting those that may prefer Z over X or have no preference
There have been many reports...., he or him heard this as well... , we can't all be dillusional..., even noted ( fill in an experts name) heard it... e.t.c.
Makes a lot of sense.... or does it.... consider the following.
Perception is something done in the brain and not a 1 on 1 'registration' of what enters the ears.
The following 'tests' could be used to show how many can 'experience' the same things that aren't actually there but all humans will report a similar 'finding' yet an analysis program or measurements will show the perceived 'findings' are not really there.
Do you see white and sometimes black dots that aren't really black but are actually always white ?
Move your head back and forth and see what all people most likely will report ?
I won't tell what you are seeing as that might spoil the fun.
Another one similar to the well known 'turning wheels' but much prettier and more evident.
can you see the rings move ? Everyone might report this but hold something against the screen (or use the mouse pointer) at a spot you saw moving.
HERE you can find more of these kind of optical illusions.
Consider the possibility that not all one perceives is actually there or happening and that reports that can be found all over the web may very well come because of how our brain functions and processes the incoming 'signals' in a similar way.
Yes, we all experience the 'illusions' above in a similar way and some may even be amazed.
We all experience the same regardless of 'training level' and how hard we try NOT to see it.
We can only NOT see it when we use other references but the moment the other references are not there anymore we experience it again and again ... regardless if we 'know' that it isn't real.
Yet it feels real and we perceive it as 'real'.
Maybe, just maybe... the argument 'he heard it as well' isn't a very solid one after all when we consider sound too is something that is merely 'interpreted' by our brains.
Of course, the above is all some food for thought and not an explanation why person A, B and C both have a preference for X while Z is found to be sub-par but measures quite the same.
Not counting those that may prefer Z over X or have no preference