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Post by Javier on Jan 11, 2014 19:54:33 GMT
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 11, 2014 20:01:47 GMT
So it is close to the £100 at least. It's a nice contrast to the big bassed DT990. It has a lighter touch without the Sony V6 top edge!!
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Post by Javier on Jan 11, 2014 20:42:19 GMT
IMVHO they sound better when driven with 100-120 Ohm output, it lifts the bass a little and tames a tad the highs. Neither the 601 or the 501 are great when used with my smartphone.
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Post by mashv on Jan 11, 2014 21:25:00 GMT
I'm reading all your suggestions, i'll answer later, thank you very very much
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Post by mashv on Jan 12, 2014 2:16:53 GMT
There are other alternatives if you're not sure as Frans says. I use things like; (roughly around £100) Beyer DT990 pro. (A bargain for the sound but needs and amp.) (£130 ish though I think) Fostex T40 and 50 but they need to be modified and filtered. Mobile use is difficult since they are all so varied and I tend to use some expensive iem's from Senn. The original CAL is better value for sound. The Panasonic I mentioned. Koss KSC75 Grado sr80i (Not really mobile though) Portapro is a good buy. (A real one - seems difficult to find!!!) It really depends how you want to use them. I have loads of headphones but what I use depends on what I'm doing with them and where I am. I'll put a star by things around £100 ish ..... At home (amped) HD650 HD600 * DT990 * Fostex T40/T50 * AKG K601 (If you can still get them) * DT770 pro At home/Hotel - portable This really depends on the amp and it's running time as well. * AKG K550 (about £130 now, I think) T50 HD598 and 5*5 (I always confuse the numbers!!) * Cal 1 and 2 ** Superlux Evo, HD681 with filters. * Sony V6 with eq. on dap. Portable Senn ie8 ** Senn px100 **Portapro Klipsch X10 ** Panasonic buckets. **(now) Apple pod things. * AE51 I have a lot of headphones, but at the moment, those are the ones that I mainly use. Work out where you will use them most of all and what with before you choose a headphone. Then when you have a list, I tend to go for the most comfort as well as sound. An uncomfortable headphone is unusable and useless, no matter what it sounds like. so - a) Choose where you listen most. b) Decide what you are using mostly as a source. (and whether you want to use an amp) c) Make a list with those criteria in mind. d) eliminate anything uncomfortable Now you have a proper list. First group are way over 100€ and i don't like Fostex looking. In the second group i like AKG K550(also 650 and 600, but they cost a lot) but their price is 156€, nothing i can afford, i think they could be the right choice, but in this moment i can't spend that much. HD598 are 180€. CAL! have a good sound as i can understand, but the materials are almost plastic and cheap looking one, if only it was solid and well assembled like UE6000(still plastic but...) i wouldn't have all these struggle at 50€. CAL2 are, as a lot of people complain, too much bassy, and anyway they costs 119€, i know it's 20 euro more than my budget and seems low, but if i had to go over the 100€ cap i would buy K550. The other are all headphones i would never use in public, and if it's true i'll mainly use them at home, i can't be sure what my future months reserves me, with the new work and all, so i want a pair of headphones also "good" loking, or at least without the feeling of going around with "desktop-like" ones. One thing is sure, the ideal ones atm are the headphones in the second list, with k550 on top, but i actually have to stick with the 3rd list, and counting the fact i don't really like the looking of a lot of them(and some of them are also on-ear), i will have to choose between the two i said, being aware of the fact they're not hi-fi. Unfortunately i don't have the chance to listen to them, else i would have surely given less importance to visual factor, astonished by a great sounding headphone maybe not gorgeous looking but decent. I think there's no way i can eliminate mistakes, and i have to accept i'm going to buy my first pair of headphones almost blindly, with what my heart(and thanks to your advice) says. Tomorrow i think it's the big day.
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Post by MaN227 on Jan 12, 2014 2:57:11 GMT
good luck, its a gamble but I know full well its exciting waiting to get new headphones and hearing them. one thing you are doing , sticking to 100 or under euro cost, is actually smart, cause what can happen is you say ok , this one looks good its 125, then you consider EVEN MORE choices,and wind up saying ok 150-200, it becomes more and more difficult to consider all your options while trying to narrow your list down to just a few. you have gotten some good feedback and idea's of what is out there in your price range, now its all up to you to decide what it is you want, but I have a feeling you already knew what you wanted when you started out asking, that is why I said the things I did earlier about the AE51's, and after your last post I feel it even more clearly, so now there is only one way to find out if you were right. as I just re-read your last post here (and some of them are also on-ear) the AE51 is a sorta in-between size, bigger than a true on ear and not as big as a true around ear. my ears down to the ear lobe fit inside the pads, but only just. good enough to seal well though. hope that makes sense lol Jump in the water it's warm let us know what you decide to go with mashv
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Post by mashv on Jan 12, 2014 3:04:34 GMT
Can you tell me, if i don't ask too much, the inner measures of the earpads? So i can understand better how my ears would fit in.
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 12, 2014 8:23:15 GMT
Great. I was trying to see if you wavered from what you're after with my list and how you wanted to use them!! It looks as though you've thought it through.
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Post by solderdude on Jan 12, 2014 8:49:13 GMT
Over-ear suggestions:
warmish: AE51 - UE6000 - CAL! Neutralish: PortaPro/KSC75 + headband if needed, HD681-EVO with different pads, Beyerdynamic DT231 (inbetween warmish and neutral), Sennheiser HD238 (don't know about the newer HD239), Takstar Pro80
AE51 (seems the one you really want)
UE6000, have not heard it but expect it to sound much like the AE51
CAL! (owned it) and is over ear for most but those with big ears may find it rest on the ears. HM-5 pads will alleviate this problem it seems. I did not find it cheap looking at all, it does so in pictures. Seemed durable to me but got 'hot ears' quickly.
PortaPro not bassy, not bright but you do hear everything, not a feeling of lacking bass or treble extension at all. comfortable, especially on hotter days. On a warm day they are the only ones I use (well the KSC35/75 that is, sold the PortaPro). KSC35/75 are easy to wear in public (so is PortaPro).
Beyerdynamic DT231 I owned it for a while and is on-ear with sturdy felt-rubberish pads and sounded between warmish and neutralish. Sold it in the end
Sennheiser HD238 on ear, pleasant to wear and warmer than PortaPro but not overly so. No piercing highs. The wife uses it and loves it.
Superlux HD681-EVO bigger-over ear, get the ones with velourpads. They are VERY warmish/bassy sounding but comfortable over-ears but as they are over-ears 'warm ears' in the summer will be a problem. If you want it very Neutral instead of overly warm simply replace the pads with velourspads from China (fleabay for instance) and it becomes a really good headphone. Get it from Thomann.de. Modern and cheapish looks though, reasonable build quality.
Takstar Pro80 never heard it personally but seems to be a good buy.
Of all headphones above the AE seems the most solid one, the EVO the most versatile (pad change) and the PortaPro the best for warm days/comfort.
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Post by MaN227 on Jan 12, 2014 8:59:41 GMT
we use inches and feet here on this side of the pond not centimeter and meter but I shall try to give in mm, not used to reading a tape that way so here goes. I give outside and inside, but I must forewarn you the pads are deceptive in their size. by that I mean when I just look at them I think NO WAY this is gonna go around my ear, and as rabbit said he can get his bunny ear flaps in lol .... so the top and back of my ears are inside the rectangular doughnuts and on the bottom (ear lobe), the pad rests on the lobe, it does not go under it. on the front side the pad goes past my ear and rests just in front of my ear. hope that makes sense and here are measurements ... finally outside pad is roughly ( so don't chisel it in stone ) 8.7cm top to bottom outside and 5.3cm inside 7.0cm side to side outside and 2.7cm inside
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Post by solderdude on Jan 12, 2014 9:11:36 GMT
A bit like CAL! which is bordering on over-ear / on ear depending on the individual. In my case they were over ear but for another guy (with a BIG noggin) they were on-ear. Because the pads were so soft he claimed he did not loose seal (bass).
For reference: HD681-EVO Chinese pads outside diameter = 10cm (100mm) inside diameter = 5.4cm (54mm) depth = 1.6cm (16mm)
K551 (really BIG pads) outside diameter = 11cm (110mm) inside diameter = 5.8cm (58mm) depth = 1.8cm (18mm)
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Post by Dave on Jan 12, 2014 9:51:55 GMT
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 12, 2014 10:39:57 GMT
Closed headphones are a difficult area, Dave. Getting one that sounds good is difficult since there are so many reflections going on inside the cups. This is why I have had an ongoing battle with them, I think.
They're great for work since they isolate, but the main purpose is to monitor not sit and enjoy music!! (That sounds a bit weird doesn't it?) Also, they are normally eq'd and not left as is. So for me, the workhorse is the DT150 which isn't so great at home.
K550 is the closest to good except for that treble. (as you know) Frans has found a cure for that so it could be perhaps a good headphone in the end. T40 is closed but needs a lot of poer and a filter. The K550 is a serious DAP headphone since it's so sensitive and could be the answer to something really good when you're away from home on a portable amp or even straight from a dap.
That's not so important for you I guess, but is a way that I use headphones quite a lot actually!!
AE51 is a 'rosy' answer as is the CAL2. (and Evo/hd681 actually) Out of those, the HD681 is probably the best but AE51 is great for walking around as well and doesn't make you look too bad in public!!
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Post by mashv on Jan 12, 2014 19:04:03 GMT
we use inches and feet here on this side of the pond not centimeter and meter but I shall try to give in mm, not used to reading a tape that way so here goes. I give outside and inside, but I must forewarn you the pads are deceptive in their size. by that I mean when I just look at them I think NO WAY this is gonna go around my ear, and as rabbit said he can get his bunny ear flaps in lol .... so the top and back of my ears are inside the rectangular doughnuts and on the bottom (ear lobe), the pad rests on the lobe, it does not go under it. on the front side the pad goes past my ear and rests just in front of my ear. hope that makes sense and here are measurements ... finally outside pad is roughly ( so don't chisel it in stone ) 8.7cm top to bottom outside and 5.3cm inside 7.0cm side to side outside and 2.7cm inside My top to bottom is 6cm, 3cm or less side to side. I think it's ok, i also found that ue6000 raised in price, now it's 102€, that's a sign XD. Another 2 or 3 hours and i make my order, i want to recap all the suggestions of this post for being sure .
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Post by Dave on Jan 12, 2014 20:22:52 GMT
Hopefully not too far off topic but I just thought I'd mention it. I've always gone for 'closed' headphones so as not to annoy SWMBO too much when I'm listening through cans. This feeling has always left me wondering if there really was much difference between closed and open backed phones. Well, last night I had the opportunity to change my listening room to one where speakers were not possible but where I was totally alone so giving my open backed ones a good listen suddenly occurred to me. I dug out a pair of Phiips SBC HP890 (thanks Frans ) and sat back and listened to the music. To put it mildly I now understand why open backed cans are preferred to closed ones. The curse is that, whilst you never miss what you haven't heard, once you have heard, going back to what was very satisfying before suddenly loses it's appeal. Oh, problems, problems, will they never end? . Cheers, Dave.
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