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Post by Mr Trev on Feb 11, 2018 1:47:38 GMT
Wow, I was really surprised to see how much of a difference having a good seal made. I briefly had a pair of T51, and I know they needed a very good seal (provided by strong clamp) to get any quality bass out of them. I figured that was mostly due to them being smallish on-ear phones and I didn't think over-ears would be affected that much (for the record the on-ear/strong clamp factor was the reason my ownership was brief). I don't bother wearing my glasses when listening to music - I can't see the sound after all, now I know there's a reason beyond comfort.
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Post by jello on Feb 11, 2018 2:09:58 GMT
Seal seems to be quite critical with some headphones. Recently had a similar experience with my T5P. The bass sounded a lot like one of the channels in Frans' measurements (fell off a cliff) but in my case in both ears. Funny thing is that they have really quite a snug fit and fairly strong clamp so It feels like a good seal has been achieved. But the slightest chink and.....gone. Seemed to be a combination of the pads having quite a dense foam in them, very limited scope to angle the cups, and my protruding cheekbones. Adjusting the headband extension a notch did put it right but it was a bit of an eye opener when the bass suddenly made itself known..."ah. so that's where you were hiding!!" With the P82 clamp is not so strong and the pad foam very soft (esp. on silver pair) so think the only way I could have improved things would have been to duct tape them to my ears
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Post by solderdude on Feb 11, 2018 8:21:43 GMT
Well, the dip at 4kHz is a lot deeper and wider which makes the silver one clearer sounding and thus less bassy. This makes the black version thus 'warmer' sounding.
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Post by solderdude on Feb 12, 2018 19:53:31 GMT
I have added some extra info and a filter circuit (with results) that can improve the early (or fake ?) version.
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Post by jello on Feb 13, 2018 21:54:21 GMT
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Post by Mr Trev on Feb 13, 2018 23:33:21 GMT
You been reading the HF thread again
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Post by jello on Feb 14, 2018 10:34:58 GMT
Might have been Latest post with Headphoniaks response is an interesting one and quite a plausible explanation. And seems rather close to a theory I floated past Frans last night. My personal belief is that both of my pairs are genuine, but belong to different revisions. New pad foam, drivers, damping materials etc. introduced to improve SQ, otherwise why change them? The authentication code thing is a bit odd but suspect the reason will turn out to be quite harmless in nature e.g. a housekeeping issue on Takstar's systems. Hopefully an explanation will follow shortly and the possibility of 'fake' P82's doing the rounds can be put to rest . But good that questions are being asked and honest answers appear to have been forthcoming (kudos to Headphoniaks for that).
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Post by solderdude on Feb 14, 2018 13:26:47 GMT
That may well be the case.
The authentification code, however, should at least tell the code was from a genuine Takstar and not with 'out of date' and a phone number in China you should call.
As the Pro 80 driver is of the same brand/type as is used in the early version it stands to reason the silver pair is early production rather than a fake.
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Post by jello on Feb 14, 2018 14:58:55 GMT
Agreed.
No reason why a fairly new product should be reporting as anything other than genuine (assuming it is). Hopefully things become clearer once Takstar returns from its CNY break.
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Post by Mr Trev on Feb 14, 2018 17:13:31 GMT
The whole verification code does seem to be a glaring oversight. Having it come back as "out of date" fuelled far more speculation than was necessary. As you say hopefully Takstar - actual Takstar, not the OP's 2nd hand reports from "Takstar Audio Store" - will clear the air.
I still find it amusing the OP will still dismiss alternate viewpoints as "production variances". Sad thing is that some people may be taking his word on that point…
Frans, I saw you posted a photo of the Pro80 driver in your write-up. Did you get a chance to listen to them? Those did get some decent write ups from quite a few folks. I still wonder if a used Pro80 might be the better option
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Post by solderdude on Feb 14, 2018 19:37:56 GMT
Never heard the Pro 80. What I understand is that the Pro 82 is an improvement over the Pro 80.
Am listening to the HD672 at this moment. Another comfortable cheap Chinese headphone. A VAST improvement over the previous prototype. This is supposed to be the production model but it misses the Superlux logo and name shield.
Will be doing a write-up on it. Also on the somewhat inferior HD671 which is the closed version.
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Post by miiksu on Feb 15, 2018 8:27:47 GMT
Never heard the Pro 80. What I understand is that the Pro 82 is an improvement over the Pro 80. Am listening to the HD672 at this moment. Another comfortable cheap Chinese headphone. A VAST improvement over the previous prototype. This is supposed to be the production model but it misses the Superlux logo and name shield. Will be doing a write-up on it. Also on the somewhat inferior HD671 which is the closed version. They look nice on photos. Do you have production models from both?
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Post by Rabbit on Feb 15, 2018 10:11:00 GMT
The whole verification code does seem to be a glaring oversight. Having it come back as "out of date" fuelled far more speculation than was necessary. As you say hopefully Takstar - actual Takstar, not the OP's 2nd hand reports from "Takstar Audio Store" - will clear the air. I still find it amusing the OP will still dismiss alternate viewpoints as "production variances". Sad thing is that some people may be taking his word on that point… Well, it's best to check these things. I especially feel that after a very bad experience with the AT headphone that turned out to be a fake. That was after I'd spent ages trying to like it, but couldn't so I sent it to Frans to see if there was something wrong!!! That HF thread is a bit odd. Almost like people in denial and one even saying that Fran's review is full of hate!!! Good grief..... I thought that comment itself was 'full of hate' and way over the top. Takstar also have a 'fake identification' code for their cheap microphones. I think there are other makes that look exactly the same out there though as well. I have one but don't use it because its signal to noise ratio is pretty poor to say the least. Good for a cheapo though. I'm not sure that the HF thread is very helpful tbh because it seems to be full of people who turn ugly at the faintest whiff of criticism which is a bit daft over a headphone really. Mark, you naughty boy for even suggesting that there may be fakes around. Blimey that all got a bit daft didn't it? Interesting ..... the Amazon silver one has gone ..... No longer available on Amazon? What's happened? www.amazon.co.uk/Takstar-Headphone-Professional-Reference-Monitor-Silver/dp/B071F5NQ5C
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Post by jello on Feb 15, 2018 11:19:43 GMT
I think Frans should really change the text under his avatar to "Fuelled by hatred" Of all the people I'd accuse of bias or hate he'd be at the bottom of the list. Don't think he has a mean bone in his body and the only reason he measured them in the first place was because I asked if he could do me the favour. The measurements don't lie though. This is a headphone that doesn't measure particularly well and Frans' will tell it like he sees it. But imho this is an article written primarily from an objective/technical standpoint not with a reviewers hat on. But I rather like the P82, warts n' all, and think it is an excellent headphone for the money. That is however my subjective personal opinion. What for me makes a 'good' headphone is one that I actually enjoy listening to and really that's all that matters. If someone says something I disagree with or produces unfavourable measurements I'm not going to lose sleep over it and act like a spoiled kid. We're all individuals, have different tastes, opinions and expectations and afaik most sane people don't actually listen to measurements? They do have their uses though but should not be taken in isolation. imho. Please don't hate me!! The fakes thing did get a bit silly. Had hoped we'd be able to get to the bottom of things in a grown up manner but HF being HF drama ensued....some good folk on that thread making some very good posts though. The biggest issue is that it isn't a discussion thread so much as an appreciation (adulation?) thread. OP may as well label it as such and then everyone would know where they stand. My feeling all along has been that these are the same headphone but with some changes made on the newer pair to refine the sound. They do sound close though. Some hear the P82 as clinical and others don't. To me the silver pair can have a tendency to sound a little clinical at times (brighter, slightly better clarity, and to me perceptibly less bass despite it seems them having measurably more) whereas the black pair doesn't (bassier, more controlled highs, slightly thicker / warmer/ slightly less clarity). Measurements reflect those differences. Wouldn't read too much into that Amazon listing. Headphoniaks are also out of stock on their own website with new stock arriving 26th Feb.
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Post by Rabbit on Feb 15, 2018 16:36:04 GMT
They have no arrival date for another batch though Mark. I was going to get one to see what the fuss was about!!
The Headfi thread is a bit of a joke, with someone now coming back to me, comparing and HD650 FR and others with it. I don't understand why they're all getting on their high horses.
Frans has no agenda whatsoever and I thought the review was excellent. Someone now tells me that they were offended by the fact that he sees it as a mobile headphone. Big deal.
Totally silly and I thought that your cautionary warning was perfectly fair enough and you didn't deserve the following nonsense at all.
TBH, I hope a fake is found. I'd be on there like a shot!!!
Biggest surprise for me was the AT fake. It was a very good one but the sound gave it away. I tried so hard to like it and felt that something was amiss all along, and yet people wrote quite nasty pm's to me because I dared to suggest that the sound was bloody awful. Then later on, it turned out to be a fake, so lots of people got a warning and unfortunately, others had bought from the same source.
I checked past posts and those people had written just how 'stunning' it sounded, because they had no idea that they were listening to a fake!!!
A case of mass hysteria over the MSR7 which became a bit embarrassing for some when they checked the drivers inside ......
I don't really take a lot on there very seriously any more though tbh.
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