With Kameleon, is the HD 800 still a big upgrade over the HD 650?
Without Kameleon I think the HD650 is better than HD800 Both improve differently on the Kameleon.
The HD650 looses the midbass hump and suddenly has deep bass and top notch clarity and treble.
The HD800 gains bassweigth and the extreme treble peak(s) are lowered. This means it also looses the (over)hyper detailed and super expanded stereo image which both are the direct result of the elevated treble.
Tonally the HD650 is more correct on the Kameleon. But I found the HD800 on Kameleon to be more 'real' sounding and a wee bit wider in stereo image.
The differences to ME isn't that big.
use your EARS to enjoy MUSIC .... NOT as an analyzer
No, you have to play music from your Apple library. Download the music to your device and play it through the software. That's the biggest drawback. The Sonarworks limits you to the computer though so there are way less constrictions.
I checked it out last night actually, and it seems that it's designed for Apple phones, not Ipads!! I used it on my Touch at one time.
That's what I was getting at when I said that Apple lock everything down so access becomes limited only to them.
Most iPhone apps run just fine on the iPad. There is an option in the App Store to download iPhone apps. Exceptions like Whatsapp of course can't be downloaded on the iPad where the developer doesn't want you to have access through an iPad.
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lobalwarming: Meanwhile... stick some cotton rolls under the pad roll to fluff 'em out a bit. Or just admit you like the free bass boost from worn pads. It's what I do. Except the admitting part
Oct 5, 2021 22:51:55 GMT
Mr Trev: "few days". It's said that for at least a couple weeks. I though about Brainwavz since they make adapters for Senn. Reviews say they're 3d printed garbage tho
Oct 6, 2021 0:52:14 GMT
Mr Trev: Maybe I should say "to heck with it" and just buy a ATH-R70x. Folks claim they're like 650s, but with proper bass
Oct 6, 2021 0:53:47 GMT
lobalwarming: Or... buy from Jeff... $10 more vs many $100s more for the R70x. Not sure they have 'proper' bass - more similar to the 650s than not. And not nearly as smooth up top.
Oct 6, 2021 4:49:46 GMT
Mr Trev: IIRC when I was on Headphone Bar's site they had Dekoni pads on sale for the same price as stock Senns. I'd probably go that route before being gouged an extra $10 (honestly, how can foam and velour be worth $60 in the 1st place)
Oct 6, 2021 15:06:53 GMT
Mr Trev: I just don't know how well the sound change would go down for me
Oct 6, 2021 15:07:15 GMT
lobalwarming: With the supply chain issues... $62 for a little foam and fabric is cheap. BTW - my official Senn pads cost $64 in 2019. And well worth it. ;-)
Oct 6, 2021 22:43:08 GMT
lobalwarming: I have the Dekoni Elite Velours for the 650. Gives them a big 'proper' bass boost, so you might like them - didn't at the time, but was my anorexic tonal period. Mood and whims change - pad rolling is almost as much fun as tube rolling. For only more $$$
Oct 6, 2021 22:46:20 GMT
Mr Trev: My X2 fulfills my "bassy" needs, so I don't need to go there. I'm surprised the X2s don't get more love. They seem to straddle the "fun" and "audiophile" lines pretty well IMO
Oct 7, 2021 17:21:29 GMT
Mr Trev: One of the guys I chat with on HF strongly prefers the Dekonis over the stock pads. He seems to be the exception though, most impressions I've read aren't too positive. Except for comfort, Dekoni apparent wins that hands down.
Oct 7, 2021 17:24:10 GMT
Mr Trev: Happy Turkey Day Lobey - and any other Canadians looking in
Oct 11, 2021 15:28:22 GMT