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Post by whitenoise on Oct 10, 2016 18:57:09 GMT
I wish I could demo this before buying. As is I'm quite happy with all of my headphones and both the Polaris and Ember II. He is selling this as the module only for $199 and each filter is like $40. I'd have to buy at least two filters to start. Do these really make things improved to the point of "oh damn" status?
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Post by jhelms on Oct 10, 2016 19:13:10 GMT
Sorry I missed that it seems - Kameleon is the same size as Polaris - I guess it could be stacked but was never intended to be that way  |
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Post by Rabbit on Oct 10, 2016 19:20:58 GMT
I wish I could demo this before buying. As is I'm quite happy with all of my headphones and both the Polaris and Ember II. He is selling this as the module only for $199 and each filter is like $40. I'd have to buy at least two filters to start. Do these really make things improved to the point of "oh damn" status? To get the same smoothness and depth of bass that you obtain from a Kameleon, you'd need a pretty good headphone. Even the hd800 improves with a Kameleon. That's not to say your headphone will sound like the hd800, but the Kameleon will allow the headphone to give the best performance that it's capable of. Not all headphones respond the same and it is also associated with the quality of the drivers as well. I find even a Senn hd650 a bit off now without a filter. |
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Post by jello on Oct 10, 2016 21:37:14 GMT
Sorry I missed that it seems - Kameleon is the same size as Polaris - I guess it could be stacked but was never intended to be that way I originally stacked mine but find the pairing work much better side-by-side. Gives easier access to the filter switches and avoids the risk of inadvertently knocking the volume dial when doing so. Also quite hard finding RCA leads that are short and supple enough to allow stacking! |
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Post by whitenoise on Oct 11, 2016 15:53:40 GMT
I wish I could demo this before buying. As is I'm quite happy with all of my headphones and both the Polaris and Ember II. He is selling this as the module only for $199 and each filter is like $40. I'd have to buy at least two filters to start. Do these really make things improved to the point of "oh damn" status? To get the same smoothness and depth of bass that you obtain from a Kameleon, you'd need a pretty good headphone. Even the hd800 improves with a Kameleon. That's not to say your headphone will sound like the hd800, but the Kameleon will allow the headphone to give the best performance that it's capable of. Not all headphones respond the same and it is also associated with the quality of the drivers as well. I find even a Senn hd650 a bit off now without a filter. |
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Post by whitenoise on Oct 11, 2016 15:53:59 GMT
To get the same smoothness and depth of bass that you obtain from a Kameleon, you'd need a pretty good headphone. Even the hd800 improves with a Kameleon. That's not to say your headphone will sound like the hd800, but the Kameleon will allow the headphone to give the best performance that it's capable of. Not all headphones respond the same and it is also associated with the quality of the drivers as well. I find even a Senn hd650 a bit off now without a filter. I have a handful of headphones but my two main pair are the Audeze LCD-2 R2F and Senn HD600. Both of these headphones sound great to my ears. I'm tempted to give this filter system a try but I may wait and see what others think. I'm sure a number of people over at head-fi will try this out. |
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Post by Rabbit on Oct 11, 2016 16:00:47 GMT
Results will also depend on which headphone you use. Basically, better drivers respond better.
To me, an hd650 sounds better than the dt990 on a Kameleon. Basically because the dt990 drivers don't respond as well to eq.
There is a problem lurking for UK people though ... the exchange rate is making U.S. buying a bit more expensive. So we have to pay more now and then have import tax and handling fees on top.
That might eventually have an effect on the U.S. sales to the U.K. which is a pity.
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Post by oldson on Oct 11, 2016 18:26:29 GMT
I have a handful of headphones but my two main pair are the Audeze LCD-2 R2F and Senn HD600. Both of these headphones sound great to my ears. I'm tempted to give this filter system a try but I may wait and see what others think. I'm sure a number of people over at head-fi will try this out. i much prefer my Lcd2 r2 nonF with my dedicated filter (not a Kameleon, but does same job), not quite as dark sounding as the stock headphone. |
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Post by oldson on Oct 11, 2016 18:27:59 GMT
Sorry I missed that it seems - Kameleon is the same size as Polaris - I guess it could be stacked but was never intended to be that way thats ok Jeremy. i have realised that i would not want to stack them anyway!  cheers |
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Post by oldson on Oct 11, 2016 18:30:35 GMT
Sorry I missed that it seems - Kameleon is the same size as Polaris - I guess it could be stacked but was never intended to be that way I originally stacked mine but find the pairing work much better side-by-side. Gives easier access to the filter switches and avoids the risk of inadvertently knocking the volume dial when doing so. Also quite hard finding RCA leads that are short and supple enough to allow stacking! i always use longer leads than really required and drape them down the back of my desk. this is , of course, a real sod when its time to hoover!  |
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Post by Disastermouse on Oct 12, 2016 9:40:27 GMT
I'm still not clear whether the focus pads will make the tuning module for my HE-500 degrade rather than improve the sound. Or is it that it will limit the improvements? Since both the tuning module and the focus pads decrease warmth, would running them both together decrease the warmth too much?
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Post by solderdude on Oct 12, 2016 14:48:25 GMT
The filter only adds a little subbass (grunt/body) and improves the treble quality.
Warmth is determined by the slope from 100Hz to 1kHz.
The filter does nothing there, it only adds some subbass (and maybe a small tad of bass).
Both the Focus pads as the original ones (or should I say the driver) drops in amplitude above 1kHz and has a peak around 9kHz (the 'sizzle' instead of clear cymbals)
What the filter does (and pads can NOT do) is raise the 'lowered' treble part.
This is where 'clarity' resides.
Thus the filter leaves the 'warmth' as it is, adds some subbass and improves clarity.
When raising the clarity the treble peak would become too prominent so the filter also lowers that peak.
In essence the treble quality and clarity improves (doesn't make it 'bright')
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Post by solderdude on Oct 12, 2016 15:34:06 GMT
I have had requests for filters for:
Grado's (no can do, they react poorly to EQ and the filtering needs to be sharper than I can make)
Philips Fidelio X2 (need more input)
K7xx (is a difficult one... small 2kHz bump, 3kHz dip, 7kHz resonance but otherwise well balanced, could add some subbass)
K712 (very similar to K7xx)
K812 (could remove the elevation between 5k and 10k and make it slightly less 'sharpish' sounding... slightly more 'mellow')
HD700 (quite similar to HD800 in tuning. slight revised HD800 filter will be enough I think)
TH-X00(M + Ph) There is little I would do about these. Maybe slightly reduce warmth on Purple heart, seem accurately tuned.
MDR-Z7 (could do with a bit of clarity I reckon, measurements suggest overly warm sounding, peak around 7kHz can be lowered, similar-ish to the MDR1A)
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Post by disastermouse on Oct 13, 2016 13:44:26 GMT
Does this product come with interconnects in the box or do I need to provide my own?
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Post by jhelms on Oct 13, 2016 14:56:08 GMT
No interconnects - just a power supply or pass through cable.
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