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Post by Rabbit on Jun 25, 2013 22:01:42 GMT
I'll swap for a brand new AT-M50 any day!!!!
You have a great headphone on the way........
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 19:39:19 GMT
well the lcd-2s arrived today initial impressions are really good. well packaged,they look even better than i thought they would. so far i am listening at same volume position on the panda as i do with the d7000.(even with same output resistor) will be interesting to hear how/if they change over the coming days. very happy so far though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 23:19:39 GMT
my first and biggest worry is that they wont be heard in the next room when the wife is trying to sleep and i fancy a late night listening session. will find out tomorrow i guess no bangs on the wall as yet happy days...... well nights actually
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 18:20:19 GMT
Frans/Javier a pic of the graph supplied with my lcd-2s
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 18:48:17 GMT
after a lengthy listen last night, i began to feel that the lcd-2 sounded somewhat muffled . have now started using the panda output which i fitted the 10ohm resistors to, and it now sounds much clearer. does this sound feasable or am i imagining it?
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Post by solderdude on Jun 27, 2013 19:11:47 GMT
It depends on what amplifier you were listening to before that. Also depends on the volume (SPL) as we hear better in the late hours and tend to turn the volume lower which in turn alters the way we perceive sound. When we want to 'check' if all sounds well or for changes usually one turns the volume up thereby altering the sonic presentation. It's the reason why 'loudness or contour' volume controls exist and is based on the phon curves.
This may be a cause, could also be the membrane stretching marginally as it is under tension.
Imagining is a harsh word that can be interpreted as in 'being stupid'. Perceiving things differently because of changed circumstances is not the same as imagining yet may feel as such. Circumstances may not even appear to be that different but simply the passing of time is of great influence, especially at night.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 19:25:52 GMT
It depends on what amplifier you were listening to before that. Also depends on the volume (SPL) as we hear better in the late hours and tend to turn the volume lower which in turn alters the way we perceive sound. When we want to 'check' if all sounds well or for changes usually one turns the volume up thereby altering the sonic presentation. It's the reason why 'loudness or contour' volume controls exist and is based on the phon curves. This may be a cause, could also be the membrane stretching marginally as it is under tension. Imagining is a harsh word that can be interpreted as in 'being stupid'. Perceiving things differently because of changed circumstances is not the same as imagining yet may feel as such. Circumstances may not even appear to be that different but simply the passing of time is of great influence, especially at night. i will have to do some more AB testing of the 2 outputs. what would be the recommended output impedance for the lcd-2? does this output/ impedance matching only affect available volume, or does it alter the sound sig in other ways also?
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Post by solderdude on Jun 27, 2013 20:38:35 GMT
i will have to do some more AB testing of the 2 outputs. what would be the recommended output impedance for the lcd-2? does this output/ impedance matching only affect available volume, or does it alter the sound sig in other ways also? The low impedance output would be best suited as it gives you more dynamic range (SPL) The output resistance should not have an influence on the sound signature as the impedance of ortho's is ruler flat. For this reason there is no frequency dependent voltage division as is the case with most dynamic headphones. That said a direct comparison will be very hard to make as the amplitude drop you get because of voltage division is more than noticeable. LCD2 is around 60 Ohms and when the output R is 10 Ohms you would have -1.3 dB in SPL as opposed to when NO resistors were present. With 120 Ohm out the difference is -9.5 dB (opposite NO resistor). The fun part of dB's is you can simply subtract and add. So 9.5 dB - 1.3dB = 8.2 dB level difference. 10 dB difference is a doubling of perceived loudness so this means the difference in amplitude is rather big. For this reason switching impedances creates large differences in amplitude and thus in sound signature as well (phon curves and the fact we simply hear more nuances at higher SPL). So to really AB you would have to switch the output and at the same action lower (or increase) the volume in the correct amount. When this would be done correctly chances are there would be no difference. On a low output R you will have 8dB more headroom which is a good thing but if you don't need it (as it plays loud enough) adding the output R can act as a 'limiter' for maximum SPL.
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Post by solderdude on Jun 28, 2013 19:58:39 GMT
The filter manual is updated. The only thing that changed is the filter correction for the Audeze LCD2 and the associated BOM-list.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 18:14:15 GMT
I'll swap for a brand new AT-M50 any day!!!! You have a great headphone on the way........ ill pass on that thanks, Ian. but am open to offers on my d7000
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Post by Rabbit on Jul 1, 2013 18:43:35 GMT
I'll swap for a brand new AT-M50 any day!!!! You have a great headphone on the way........ ill pass on that thanks, Ian. but am open to offers on my d7000 I'll definitely sway the M50 for a D7000!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 18:45:16 GMT
ill pass on that thanks, Ian. but am open to offers on my d7000 I'll definitely sway the M50 for a D7000!!! ha not quite what i meant. nice try though
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Post by solderdude on Jul 1, 2013 19:31:48 GMT
What I found was that listening to a D7000 is a pleasant experience and one of the nicer dynamic headphones.
When switching over to LCD-2 (from D7000) the lower distortion, better bass and 'dark' signature stand out. I felt it was an improvement although you miss out on the highs and the 'air' shortly after the switch.
When listening to the LCD2 it doesn't sound that much 'dark' any more and is pleasant but still am wanting to hear more 'treble'. Not in quality as that's O.K. but in quantity.
The strangest thing happens when you revert back to the D7000 after getting used to the ortho for a while. Immediately after the switch to D7000 I thought... what a crappy headphone.
Yet the next day you grab the D7000 and it sounds great again ... until the LCD-2 and then reverting back.
Perception is a weird thing...
Simon, what's your experience in this ? am I alone in experiencing this ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 21:57:07 GMT
What I found was that listening to a D7000 is a pleasant experience and one of the nicer dynamic headphones. When switching over to LCD-2 (from D7000) the lower distortion, better bass and 'dark' signature stand out. I felt it was an improvement although you miss out on the highs and the 'air' shortly after the switch. When listening to the LCD2 it doesn't sound that much 'dark' any more and is pleasant but still am wanting to hear more 'treble'. Not in quality as that's O.K. but in quantity. The strangest thing happens when you revert back to the D7000 after getting used to the ortho for a while. Immediately after the switch to D7000 I thought... what a crappy headphone. Yet the next day you grab the D7000 and it sounds great again ... until the LCD-2 and then reverting back. Perception is a weird thing... Simon, what's your experience in this ? am I alone in experiencing this ? well to be honest i have not compared the 2 closely, reason being i cant put the lcd-2 down! some say the d7000 treble is harsh, though i never thought that. having said that, if the lcd-2 treble does not extend as far as the denon, i cant say that i am missing that either. have just emailed Javier to go ahead with the build of my lcd-2 filter, so i guess that should change things again. at the moment i am tuned to the audeze,and am really considering selling the denon's already (never thought i would say that). as for the "air", to me, there isnt a lot in it. i have read the he-500 has more air than the lcd-2, so maybe i will go for a used pair of these in the coming months with the funds raised from selling the denons. at the moment i may just have a bad case of "new toy syndrome", but i am loving it !!!
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Post by solderdude on Jul 2, 2013 5:13:41 GMT
the air will return with the filter and so will the treble. In the filter design I purposely didn't make it completely 'flat' but left some of the original signature in there. Otherwise the difference would be too big.
The LCD-2 + filter will outgun an HE500 without filter.
The HE-500 + filter will be as close to 'flat' as it can be.
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