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Post by Rabbit on Jan 2, 2014 9:54:03 GMT
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Post by MaN227 on Jan 2, 2014 17:45:20 GMT
KABOOM, BANG!!! ooooo awwwwwwhhhhh roger that. I've been looking a bit into some 5.1 and 7.1 headsets for gaming as well. so far I like what a read about the sony pulse elite. the only bad thing about reading is most are not "audiophile" folks that talk about 7.1 and gaming headphones. which leads me to another point. creative and the cal2, they make quite a few more headphones, some 3 times the cost of the cal 2, makes me wonder if these other ones are even better, or if they are just maximizing profits as they are marketed more to gaming folks. perhaps the others are just more colored, such as extended fat base for explosions and exaggerated high end to hear foot steps and such better. like I said its hard to say as I don't see audiophile type folks reviewing any cans markets in that direction. were you just searching for woodheadphones when you came across that maker in china(AE51)? <-- I keep wanting to type area51 btw I have sent them an email (china). now lets see if they reply hehe who wants to buy a corsair k90 keyboard?
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 2, 2014 18:18:34 GMT
What have you asked them, Chaz? See if they can deliver cheaper? It could be cheaper from the manufacturer. If so, then it's really good value.
5.1 headphones? strap a great big sub to your head with 2 speakers in each cup?
Next it'll be a chair that vibrates with the bass.....
I tried a headphone that vibrated with bass. It was horrible!!
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Post by MaN227 on Jan 2, 2014 18:45:54 GMT
I asked them for a per unit price list of ALL their headphones yes perhaps cheaper more that likely , even on a per unit basis, as the american company is trying to make money, I would not be surprised is they are not about 30 or so dollars a set. but some specs are different as I post above. more freq extension on their can exactly like the ae51. I would LOVE to see graphs for each of them (the AE51 and the ES-665WN) did you look through all the cans they make Ian? yes the 5.1, 7.1 headphones are a reality, not sure just how well they perform, but from what I read they are very good directionally which is a very nice thing to have to hear enemy and know from which direction they come. over at HF there is a post about foobar and how to make surround with various components for foobar. I tried it actually and the sound was sort of in a 3 foot circle around your head, if that makes sense. EDIT: I found it foobar 5.1
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 2, 2014 19:28:03 GMT
did you look through all the cans they make Ian? I did, Chaz. Quite a collection there! Lots of wood. Funny that there are no prices on the site.
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Post by MaN227 on Jan 2, 2014 20:10:17 GMT
I was actually shocked at how many different offerings there were. and all can be had with a great selection of awesome woods. i will wait and see what sort of reply I get about pricing. my guess is shipping will be as much if not more than the price of the cans lol cause if AE are selling at 100 bucks, then I'll bet I'm near the single unit cost of 30ish is very close, as they will obviously been getting in a large volume and likely making a HUGE profit. we shall see. the contact page said they reply within 24 hours hehe. I know there some sort of "holiday" season there in china believe its in JAN OR FEB, so who knows. lol as far as no pricing for the items I think that goes back to my reference to making for OEM's. most stuff (electronics) is made in china with this or that "makers" name slapped on, so its no suprise, the odd thing I suppose about it is, its not every day you actually come across the actual Chinese manufacturer. speaking of such and thinking of labels, its a very very basic "logo" AE has eh? lol EDIT: a question about cup size on ae51, the china site lists there model as ON ear. does the cup actually sit on ear or does is go around you ear? I guess from now on instead of say the china maker just call them what they are ESMOOTH
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 2, 2014 20:38:56 GMT
The cups are square and quite small Chaz. I get the 'flaps' of my ears in and then they fit. Kind of half way between 'on ear' and circumaural. Slightly more comfortable than the Senn Momentums since the cups are slightly bigger. I can wear them for quite long periods but they're not as comfortable as the Senn HD650.
I've had them on all afternoon - so 3 or 4 hours, then I needed a break.
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Post by MaN227 on Jan 2, 2014 20:55:06 GMT
so long as they are comfortable I guess I won't mind but just looking at them I assumed they went around the ear not rested on the ear. when u say "flaps" llol u mean the back of your ears? and if so does that not put the drivers to far off center? or ear lobe?
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 2, 2014 21:48:39 GMT
By flaps, I mean the tops of my ears, Chaz. So the drivers do line up OK. You'd need small ears to get them totally in.
Sent from my ZTE Blade V using proboards
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Post by MaN227 on Jan 2, 2014 21:51:04 GMT
lol kk, "flaps" just threw me off, I kept seeing DUMBO in my head for some reason lol
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Post by solderdude on Jan 8, 2014 22:39:27 GMT
www.innerfidelity.com/images/AccidentallyExtraordinary51stStudios.pdfconfirms your findings. rolled off on both ends overly warmish/speakerish, no highs extension. Resonances around 1kHz and 4kHz. Not a 'fast' headphone. distortion between 0.1% and 1% which is average. It should be noted that distortion in the lows is MUCH lower than that of the old CAL! which is a good asset. Old CAL! goes much deeper, is flatter and has more extension (on both ends) but bass isn't as 'tight' as on the AE.
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Post by MaN227 on Jan 9, 2014 0:47:48 GMT
so Frans I've got to ask. Given the frequency plot, do you feel this is something you can work your voo dooooo magic on with an inline filter? this could get interesting , as its a somewhat cheapish set of cans. (read doable for this old country boy ). and seems there is room to work inside the cups for this that or the other thing. *whistles and waits
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Post by MashV on Jan 9, 2014 3:39:20 GMT
Hi guys, first of all i'm a 28 year old male , i love Metal(from sludge, doom to black), Funk, Pop, Dark Jazz, Shoegaze etc. I didn't know where to post this, now i post it here because i need to go to bed, tomorrow i'll register and if this is out of place i'll repost it in a new thread, ty anyway in advance. I'm at the point where i want to buy my first pair of headphones and my budget is of 100 euros. I fell in love(visually) with Accidentally Extraordinary 51st studio when i saw some days ago Tyll Hertsens review on Inner Fidelity youtube channel, from there i searched others good headphones at the same price, and again on his channel i saw the UE6000 that are on the same price but they were at the 199€ category on release. Now i'm here to ask you if, even with the same price, the two are comparable, ae51st is released in 100€ category, while ue6000 fell off to this category only by price and maybe still being of superior quality. I don't know i'm only supposing, hope you can explain to me, because UE6000 are compared to 250€ and over headphones, while ae51st are compared to 50€ CAL! and other 150€ max headphones. Is this because UE6000 simply is better than all the 100/150€ headphones? Or it was only a price based comparison? Now i want to say what are my concerns, i literally esthetically love ae51st, i would use them anywhere, they seem solid and durable, and they also have replaceable earpads, Tyll said they have a lovely sound, not perfect on mid and bass, but still poorly extended, what does it mean? He also seem to prefer CAL! sound to them. Anyway, let's talk of UE6000, he was astonished about its sound for the price(it was 199€) so i suppose for the actual 100€ this pair of headphones are better compared to al the 100/150€ category? I have to say i don't like them esthetically very much, probably if i didn't see ae51st i would be of another opinion, but actually i think i would not use them going around while i would consider it with ae51st as said before. Another bad thing is that UE6000 earpads are not replaceable, i don't know how much time a pair of headphones earpads lasts but this doesn't convince me at all, i feel like i buy this pair of headphones with the certainty that i will have to buy another pair when these will break, while ae51st seems like durable and something cool i will give one day to my sons, maybe at that time with ****ty sound, but cool looking . Don't get me wrong, i'm not an "all looking, screw sound" guy, i would consider esthetical factor if both are comparable on sound quality level, but if UE6000 are much much better than ae51st at the same price...well, i'll make my mind and buy them. Last but not least, Accidentally Extraordinary is a new company, i don't know if they're going to fail and close everything tomorrow or the day after, how warranty will be granted? And i don't even know anything about the actual warranty at all , they sell them from Amazon, if something goes wrong with my headphone who sould i contact? As you can see i'm here with a lot of confusion and i don't know so much about technical matters, so if you can explain me as i was 5 i would be glad and kiss you , i'm here to learn and understand while deciding, so if someone has something to say or even other headphone to suggest...well, i would appreciate it very very much. Ty in advance.
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Post by solderdude on Jan 9, 2014 7:25:42 GMT
Welcome to the forum !
I don't think there are many (if any) UE6000 owners here. The two mentioned headphones have common traits in that they are both rolled off in the treble, above 5khz with a lower peak around 10kHz, and a drop-off beyond 10kHz. Bass and mids are quite similar in presentation but the UE can also produce those subbass rumbles which the AE lacks.
Music with lots of highs and sibilance will have the top end 'smoothed' yet won't sound 'deprived' of highs either (because of the small peak around 10kHz). No sibilance nor shrillness even if it is present in the actual recording. The sound will be 'softened' which most younger people will like (not my cup of tea) and makes badly recorded music sound 'better'.
Those looking for the sweet ultra-detailed sound, as heard on the better recordings, will find these headphones lacking 'air' and realism. Those loving 'English' speakers and hating 'treble' will most likely prefer these headphones.
They are 'tuned' like most other new 'fashion statement' headphones out there (Apple store products) and should not be confused with top tier headphones that can reveal the smallest details.
The UE6000 is a closed headphone with noise cancelling option, the AE51 is not.
Perhaps a 2nd hand CAL (Creative Aurvana Live! ), which Tyll also likes, could make a better choice although I did not care for the 'flabby-ish' bass I got from them. Others don't seem to think the bass on the CALs isn't that bad.
It should be noted I never heard either headphone and the info above is based on Tyll's measurements and some experience with interpreting this data.
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Post by Rabbit on Jan 9, 2014 17:10:31 GMT
Hi Ian, Bottom line. Do you prefer any of the above to a modified Fostex T40 OR 50.!!!!!!! Mick. I prefer the Fostex Mick, but it's not easily used as a mobile device and an amp is imperative. Also, I prefer it with the filter active so it's a no no for portable use. The CALs are easily driven direct from an Ipod and are flattering to poor quality files. Bass is thunderous and low and it is mellow up top, so it really suits me with mp3 files. I prefer the CAL2 to the AE51, but the AE's are not bad either in spite of a curtailed bass and rolled off treble. They look more rolled off on the graph that Frans posted than they sound actually, but may be more to do with the volume that I was listening at since rolled off headphones work better at loud volume. (for me) I think I prefer the CAL to the M50 as well. It's a more 'exciting' listen. I could understand people not like the full blown bass though. It is really solid down there!!
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