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Post by Rabbit on Dec 8, 2016 20:56:51 GMT
What is worrying Frans is the fact that they are quietly infiltrating, which may be one reason for widely varied descriptions. My friend is horrified that he almost bought a load of them for sale.
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 8, 2016 21:04:53 GMT
I wonder whether it might be best to assign this whole thread to the bin Frans? If it's a review of a fake, then it's no use to anyone; except for those pictures of fake and real.
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Post by solderdude on Dec 8, 2016 21:07:51 GMT
I'll just add that this tread is about a fake one.
The real deal seems liked by some, most complain about the bass and the mids being 'bright'. Bob Katz's description of the sound is what this one sounded like.
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 8, 2016 21:13:14 GMT
Makes you wonder whether Bob and Tyll have a fake? It's a bit worrying. My friend was completely taken in and hated the sound so he refused to sell them. He was more shocked by the blatant selling of them as real ones.
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Post by solderdude on Dec 8, 2016 21:28:09 GMT
Tyll's version measured better in the bass, it measured very similar to the fake one once the hole was made in the driver.
At least both were talking about the exact same headphone. Tyll is a nice guy but don't always agree with his evaluations. Can find myself in Bob Katz's evaluations though.
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Post by jello on Dec 8, 2016 21:47:23 GMT
Good spot by the eagle eyed Vampula! Just goes to show that you need to be careful where you buy from. Assuming they are fakes rather than there having been some kind of driver revision (seems very unlikely?) then I guess most of the effort went into making them look outwardly convincing because neither the drivers nor the plastic enclosures look much alike. But I suppose 99.9% of buyers aren't likely to dismantle their pair and, if they did, know what to look for. Looks like your mate dodged a bullet there Ian!! I wonder whether it might be best to assign this whole thread to the bin Frans? If it's a review of a fake, then it's no use to anyone; except for those pictures of fake and real. Maybe that's reason enough. If they were convincing enough to have you guys fooled (not an easy thing to do) then others will no doubt be too. So anything that helps raise awareness can only be a good thing.
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 8, 2016 22:03:09 GMT
I must admit, it's a bit of a shocker. He's livid. He won't tell me who the supplier is but I suspect there's going to be one god almighty row tomorrow. Imagine if he'd bought a lorry load? Sell them off .... all without guarantees. He's hopping mad actually.
It is worrying that they might be filtering generally into the market and outwardly, they look really nice. Even the clicks on the adjustments felt very good. To me it seemed like a premium headphone except for the awful sound.
I tried so hard to like it as well.
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Post by jello on Dec 8, 2016 22:16:38 GMT
I can imagine! It's his livelihood on the line and there are enough genuine(ly) bad sounding headphones out there that it would be easy to simply dismiss it as another one. Was this not the headphone that had you thinking you needed your hearing checked out?? Just imagine if you'd liked them! I'm quite surprised about there being fakes around as it doesn't seem like a headphone that's all that popular. I'd assume that counterfeiters would target more 'mainstream' products such as Beats that sell in huge volumes. Maybe it's only the really niche high end gear that is safe (for now)? ps. if I get a pair of HFM that is well built is it safe to assume they are fakes?
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 8, 2016 22:28:40 GMT
It's surprised me, Mark. I hope it is a fake because my friend might well be landing blows tomorrow. I'm a bit concerned actually.
It is his living and he deals privately with people in their homes and sets up very high end stuff as well. He introduced me to some Proac speakers which bowled me over. Truth is, he hated them and asked my opinion before he bought a load of them. He couldn't understand their popularity but his attitude was ... if they sell ....... fine!!
You're right, I did mention somewhere that I was concerned about my hearing. Not sure if I wrote it here or pm'd it to you but I couldn't understand why people liked it. So I assumed I had something wrong, Fran's measurements were a great relief to me!!
I just hope it wasn't an old version or an update. It was really convincing too.
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Post by jello on Dec 8, 2016 23:22:33 GMT
That's the danger really. At present there are two pictures showing different drivers and enclosures. But does that 100% mean that one is a fake or is it conceivable that Audio Technica simply revised the internals at some point? Makes it quite a tricky conversation for your friend. And if they are fakes it may be that the supplier is equally unaware of things. And if they are legit he potentially ends up looking foolish and burning a business relationship. Is there an AT rep on HF? Because it would perhaps be good to get the pics into the hands of someone there who could give a definitive answer. Edit: they're not listed as a site sponsor so presumably not. According to the AT website there is only one official UK distributor (below) and authorised re-sellers can be checked here: eu.audio-technica.com/buyUnited KingdomProfessional & Consumer AudioAudio-Technica Limited (Export)Technica House Unit 5, Millennium Way Leeds LS11 5AL +44 (0) 113 277 1441 sales@audio-technica.co.uk
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 9, 2016 7:19:29 GMT
Well, it was premium looking. It also sounded like many descriptions. Makes me wonder whether some others may have been describing fakes.
My friend won't say where he got it from. He was considering stocking them until he heard it. I don't know whether the distributors send them out to reps who then put them out in the shops, or whether that company supplies all the UK shops.
It will make me a bit wary of new headphones though TBH.
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Post by vvampula on Dec 9, 2016 7:20:19 GMT
That's the danger really. At present there are two pictures showing different drivers and enclosures. But does that 100% mean that one is a fake or is it conceivable that Audio Technica simply revised the internals at some point? Makes it quite a tricky conversation for your friend. And if they are fakes it may be that the supplier is equally unaware of things. And if they are legit he potentially ends up looking foolish and burning a business relationship. Is there an AT rep on HF? Because it would perhaps be good to get the pics into the hands of someone there who could give a definitive answer. Edit: they're not listed as a site sponsor so presumably not. According to the AT website there is only one official UK distributor (below) and authorised re-sellers can be checked here: eu.audio-technica.com/buyUnited KingdomProfessional & Consumer AudioAudio-Technica Limited (Export)Technica House Unit 5, Millennium Way Leeds LS11 5AL +44 (0) 113 277 1441 sales@audio-technica.co.uk It can't be an another revision. The materials of the enclosures are different, as the drivers from the original ones. M50/m50s and M50x has the same parts(a lot, some just have a small differences, but still interchangeable) and the same build quality, and of course the same driver capsules. Its obvious, that the whole headphone is a piece of "Chinese" work! I would be glad to see a photo of the front part of the FAKE drivers though.
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 9, 2016 7:34:52 GMT
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Post by Rabbit on Dec 9, 2016 10:38:39 GMT
That's the danger really. At present there are two pictures showing different drivers and enclosures. But does that 100% mean that one is a fake or is it conceivable that Audio Technica simply revised the internals at some point? Makes it quite a tricky conversation for your friend. And if they are fakes it may be that the supplier is equally unaware of things. And if they are legit he potentially ends up looking foolish and burning a business relationship. Is there an AT rep on HF? Because it would perhaps be good to get the pics into the hands of someone there who could give a definitive answer. Edit: they're not listed as a site sponsor so presumably not. According to the AT website there is only one official UK distributor (below) and authorised re-sellers can be checked here: eu.audio-technica.com/buyUnited KingdomProfessional & Consumer AudioAudio-Technica Limited (Export)Technica House Unit 5, Millennium Way Leeds LS11 5AL +44 (0) 113 277 1441 sales@audio-technica.co.uk It can't be an another revision. The materials of the enclosures are different, as the drivers from the original ones. M50/m50s and M50x has the same parts(a lot, some just have a small differences, but still interchangeable) and the same build quality, and of course the same driver capsules. Its obvious, that the whole headphone is a piece of "Chinese" work! I would be glad to see a photo of the front part of the FAKE drivers though. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Audio Technica UK are now involved and will be looking into this issue. What a shocker!!! I hope you can get yourself registered. You seem quite useful to me ........
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Post by jello on Dec 9, 2016 12:43:48 GMT
He's a braver man than me buying headphones from ebay!! (well known hifi dealers ebay stores aside) Perhaps the seller should change their username to 2good2breal-uk?
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